Myth Busters: Marijuana aka Pot aka Mary Jane aka etc.

[prana]

- it depends on certain factors, how often you smoke, how much water you drink, etc. so it can take quite some time if you are constantly dehydrated and not CONTINUOUSLY flushing your body.

-actually it does matter what kind of pot you smoke. Lower quality "shwag" lasts longer in the body. It has more of the cannibinoids sp? that get you "stoned" and not "high". Higher quality marijuana has a better chance of leaving your system faster. I had montyly tests on probabion a few years ago. If you are really interested in smoking and passing these tests with a few days eat 2 GNC "cleansing formula" pills twice a day. I take these anyway as they really help clear the body of toxins and make me feel much healthier. On top of this you have to be very diligent about water intake. Quit smoking 3 or 4 days before your test and start drinking ALOT of water. On the day of your test drink as much water as you possibly can. Also take a B vitamin pill to turn your urine yellow. I think it's B6, maybe B2 it's been a few years but you can easily look this up. Piss before you go in for your test as you should have drank so much water that you will be bursting by the time you actually do the deed. This got me through 18 months probation, actually about 15 because I tried those other test pure things they sell at head shops and failed twice. I also tried not to smoke alot. I had friends do this method and quit only 2 days before, I wasn't that brave though.

[BluffTHIS!]

If any of you are high when you play poker online, and if you play for any meaningful stakes, then you are suckers doomed to go bust. Same if you get drunk and play.

[Zygote]

wanna bet?

I play professionally and i smoke using a vaporizer consuming several grams every day. I'm stoned for 90% of my sessions and i have 230,000hands of winning poker. BTW, 125,000 of those are at stakes above 5/10. I hope you will reconsider your claim.

[BluffTHIS!]

No. Although possibly your statistics are outliers compared to other users. I've played with a lot of drunks and stoners over the years in b&m and home games. I've seen it make very good players into losers. As I said in another thread on this in the pscyh forum a while back, I have only known two winning players who regularly got high. I believe the only reason they didn't do worse is that they wouldn't get high until late at night when they knew the session wouldn't last much longer, and they didn't ever start out playing high.

Also as I said in that thread, by your assertion it logically follows that you think you can drive around high without ill effects.

Hi Zygote,
What concerns me most about marijuana smoking is all the tar and oil that ends up deposited in my lungs. You mentioned a vaporizor. What is this? Is it an improvement over a standard water bong?

[benkahuna]

Your fundamentalist assumption that marijuana and alcohol necessarily impairs performance in all things, including poker, has no basis in fact or experimental studies.

Your categorization of some people as "drunks and stoners" is totally subjective.

Your limited experience is not sufficient data upon which to base your claims for all people. Additionally, personal observations are subject to bias and selective observation.

You even provide exceptions to your rule, but you STILL stick by it and make some little caveat about why the exceptions could occur.

Given the dependence of decision-making in poker and the influence of mood on decision-making, I'm rather surprised you'd assume no mind or mood altering substance could help people when constantly put in the stressful position of making difficult decisions.

Some people drive just fine when they're high, or even better because the frequently lower speeds and greater caution they use counteracts the other issues with the drug. In other words, they overcompensate compared to their normal driving that they take for granted.

[prana]

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If any of you are high when you play poker online, and if you play for any meaningful stakes, then you are suckers doomed to go bust. Same if you get drunk and play.

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Drunk I can see, but I also am a winning player and I highly disagree with your statement.

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I have only known two winning players who regularly got high. I believe the only reason they didn't do worse is that they wouldn't get high until late at night when they knew the session wouldn't last much longer, and they didn't ever start out playing high.

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This makes it sound like you again are comparing this to alcohol as if they haven't smoked "alot" and in smoking "alot" they will be more unable to think critically like someone who starts out drinking and keeps it up throughout the whole session/tourney etc. There are huge differences here. Trust me I'm doing just fine and start every session with a ritualistic blow of the dro.

[quote I believe the only reason they didn't do worse

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worse than winning????

[prana]

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Hi Zygote,
What concerns me most about marijuana smoking is all the tar and oil that ends up deposited in my lungs. You mentioned a vaporizor. What is this? Is it an improvement over a standard water bong?

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Or you could eat it and negate all tar, oil and lung issues altogether. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

But a vaporizer is the best alternative to that.

[prana]

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Also as I said in that thread, by your assertion it logically follows that you think you can drive around high without ill effects.

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Right out of high school not knowing what degree to pursue I worked transportation jobs including parts running, ice truck driving requiring a Class B license and driving a truck for a charity picking up donations. All I did during all of these jobs was listen to music and get high. I may not speak for all but I am a very defensive driver and with over 5 years of transportation jobs working 5 days a week or more I never had one accident (many avoided by seeing the road and seeing people running red lights, cutting off, etc.) although I have been rear ended before once while not on the job.

I would much rather have people smoking marijuana on our roads than driving drunk or doing meth as MANY of our nations truckers do all day long on our nations highways because it keeps them awake(delusionally awake) and exits the system in a very short time.

[Zygote]

Why Cannabis Vaporization?

Vaporization is a technique for avoiding irritating respiratory toxins in marijuana smoke by heating cannabis to a temperature where the psychoactive ingredients evaporate without causing combustion.

Laboratory studies by California NRML and MAPS have found that vaporizers can efficiently deliver cannabinoids while eliminating or drastically reducing other smoke toxins.



If you are going to get one you must invest for the higher priced ones or you might as well not bother. I have the one they used in the study and its called "the Volcano". IMO, this one performs the best by far and is well worth the money. If you end up being interested, i'm pretty sure ebay is the best place to find them at a reasnoble price.