Fold, call or raise?

Enon · #1 05-12-2005, 01:26 AM

MP3 is fairly loose aggressive (32/15/2) and BB is even more laggish (40/20/2.5)

I'm a fairly tight player in this game (16/11/2) and feel like I've been run over today, but I'm not sure anyone has noticed yet.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Enon is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Enon calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Enon calls, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Enon bets, SB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets, Enon ?

Enon · #2 05-12-2005, 03:39 AM

No one likes my posts? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

mmcd · #3 05-12-2005, 04:05 AM

Raise the flop.

pfkaok · #4 05-12-2005, 04:13 AM

If you're going to continue past the flop, I think you must raise.

MP3 is laggy, so you likely have a better hand than him, and it'd be nice to get HU with the best hand.

pfkaok · #5 05-12-2005, 04:18 AM

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Raise the flop.

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damn, you beat me to it. i post too slow when i'm trying to play and post at the same time.

Chris Daddy Cool · #6 05-12-2005, 04:23 AM

you really need to raise the flop if you want to play.

i doubt sb has you beat and mp's action in the hand looks so odd that i think it can be a missed flush draw 1 in 8 times here to call.

siegfriedandroy · #7 05-12-2005, 06:06 AM

Why is this not a fold? I figure about 5 outs (5 for 2 5's and 3 7's + 11/2 (bd flush) + 1/2 (bd straight), then discounting for the diamonds out there). So we need 8 to 1 to call, right? We are getting only 7:1, so isnt folding okay? I understand that the players are loose, so perhaps raise if you play (to drive the other player out, right?). Does this sufficiently compensate for the lower odds we are getting? Or if we call, can we simply assume the other player will probably call and provide the necessary 8:1? Im often confused in borderline situations like this one, and am not sure of the optimum course. What if we were only getting 5:1 from the pot- does this change anything?

And what should Enon do on the river. Call since the player is loose? But there seems a likely chance that he is still behind.

lil feller · #8 05-12-2005, 06:20 AM

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Why is this not a fold? I figure about 5 outs

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Spoken like a true soldier of games where a bet always means at least top pair. For Enon to assume he's behind here just because somebody made 1 bet, is just plain crazy. This is an automatic flop raise against this kind of opponent.

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So we need 8 to 1 to call, right? We are getting only 7:1, so isnt folding okay?

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Implied odds are a wonderful thing...

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And what should Enon do on the river

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Had Enon played the flop correctly and raised, the river would have been much easier. As the hand played out, this hand needs to get showndown.

Keep in mind that drawing isn't just about bets currently in the pot, but bets you can get in the pot if you hit. If he hits his 5 out draw, he probably gains 2BB from 2 players, at least, making his implied odds 11:1 at the very least, making continuing the obvious choice.

given that he should continue, he should do so with a raise. we want 5 and 6 card draws to fold, for the same reason that we are continuing, and it is possible that Enon is currently in the lead.

lf

builtiz · #9 05-12-2005, 08:51 AM

Agreed, RAISE THE FLOP. You want to cut down action, give yourself a better chance to win the pot. Fold to the river bet. Obv.