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Old 07-18-2005, 03:49 PM
meow_meow meow_meow is offline
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Default Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

I often wonder if being a gambler is part of what makes great poker players great. Seems like you hear an awful lot about pros like Ivey, TJ, Ted Forrest, Ungar, DN either making -EV non-poker bets or playing above their roll, and I seem to remember Doyle writing something in the intro to SS about heavy sports betting in the past.

Anyway, Hellmuth seems like the exception to the rule in this regard. I was only able to listen to the cardplayer final table audio for a short while, but I was struck by Phil's comment to DN regarding his HU challenge - namely that even if he (Phil) was a 55/45 favorite over DN in a HU match, he wouldn't want to risk $500k on it.

This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

Anyway, I'm no fan of Phil, his bloated ego and silly antics, but I do kinda respect the guy for his discipline.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.
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Old 07-18-2005, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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I think it was 10-1
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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I think it was 10-1

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It was.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:09 PM
maurile maurile is offline
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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I think it was 10-1

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It was.

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Well hell, anybody would do that.
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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I think it was 10-1

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It was.

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Well hell, anybody would do that.

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The vast majority of people certainly would not. More than 60% of 2+2 posters also would not.
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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This led me to wonder whether I'd be willing to risk 10% of my total liquid assets as a 55/45 favorite. Hard to say for sure when it's just theoretical, but I'm fairly certain that I'd take that bet. Maybe not for more than 30% though...

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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I think it was 10-1

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It was.

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Well hell, anybody would do that.

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Not me.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:06 PM
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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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What's Doyle strategy just in case he ends up losing that coin flip?
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:25 PM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

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I believe that Doyle Brunson said in SS1 that he'd bet everything he owned on a coin flip if he got 2-1 odds.

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What's Doyle strategy just in case he ends up losing that coin flip?

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Get staked and keep playing cards?
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Old 07-18-2005, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Phil Hellmuth - not a gambler

Phil makes terrible bets too... His wager with E-dog about a river outdraw w/ 5 outs(i think) at 6-1
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