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Old 12-21-2005, 10:27 PM
Piiop Piiop is offline
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Default Re: QTs in the BB. Ugly River.

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While I don't think u are good here very often, it is not impossible for MP to have KQ or AQ. I think it's worth a call.

SGS

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I agree. Depending on the player he could also have AJ/KJ.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: QTs in the BB. Ugly River.

Jim,

I do not like the river fold.

Here is why. Once you bet on the turn, knowing that you will be raised by AK, JJ, and AA/KK/QQ; and might be raised by AQ or KQ, then you need to be prepared to call the river for one more bet. Looking at it another way: He raises the turn with AQ, or AQh or AJh (or semibluff with AJo), and then you call and check the river. Why would he not continue with a bet? They always will in my experience. Laying it down is wrong on the river, even with the terrible 5.

Mark
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:59 PM
TakeMeToTheRiver TakeMeToTheRiver is offline
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Default Re: QTs in the BB. Ugly River.

The turn and the river both look bad. But can you really say that you are not ahead more than 10% of the time? Maybe...

but if you thought villain was looking to boat up on the river, you should have probably folded to the raise on the turn. I think you thought that after the fact to justify your fold.
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:59 PM
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Default Re: QTs in the BB. Ugly River.

Your AQ hand, where you folded TP to a turn c/r, seemed like you were beat rather than outplayed. But folding this river for 1 bet seems like your taking this great laydown stuff to an extreme.

I go back to what Ed Miller wrote about the effect and severity of your mistakes. I think calling this river is at best a small one in the long run and I'd make it every time.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:11 PM
Joe Tall Joe Tall is offline
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Default Re: QTs in the BB. Ugly River.

You need to call this river, you'll find KQ/AQ enough to make it profitable at nearly 10:1.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:20 AM
me454555 me454555 is offline
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Default Re: QTs in the BB. Ugly River.

This line seems perfect for KQ as well as AQ, this is an EASY river call given the size of the pot. I also like going for a c/r on the flop b/c you've got a powerful hand and you can trap both players for 2 bets
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