600 full.. JJ vs an undefined hand

[greg nice]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) converter

UTG ($236.95)
UTG+1 ($486.05)
MP1 ($1043)
MP2 ($774)
CO ($564)
Hero ($631.3)
SB ($390.8)
BB ($338)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $20</font>, Hero calls $20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $14, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($83) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $544 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $777


obviously at the time i put him on a higher pair hence the fold. however thinking about it now i suppose he could play AKs or AQs this way. couple that with the off chance that hes got 99 or TT and i think this is probably a -ev fold due to my dead money in there..

[LuvDemNutz]

Even if he has AsKs or AsQs you are only a very slight favorite so I think this is a good fold.

[BoxTree]

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however thinking about it now i suppose he could play AKs or AQs this way. couple that with the off chance that hes got 99 or TT and i think this is probably a -ev fold due to my dead money in there..

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Well, how much do you trust your read? Would he make a preflop raise like this with 33 or 66? or 76s? 65s? A6s? If you like your read and think he could have AKs/AQs/99/TT, then call. Without a read, I'd muck this in a hurry.

[B1GF1SHY]

+EV fold, you're beat the majority of the time because the 'off chance' he has 99 or TT if really slim and doesn't makeup for most of the times he has AA-QQ. Even against AQ or AKs you're still just a slight favourite. Save it for a better spot.

[Kaz The Original]

If you flatcall the flop, do you think he fires again with AK/AQ?

[greg nice]

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If you flatcall the flop, do you think he fires again with AK/AQ?

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i dont know, but that is the line i often take. for some reason i chose to raise this flop, which was probably bad. if the turn is another undercard i will call again if he fires pot. at this point even if hes got an overpair hes gotta worry a little and maybe we'll go check/check on river.

[Kaz The Original]

If he will fire again with AK, I prefer raising the flop, if he'll check with AK, I prefer calling.

I am seldom going to call both streets with a weak overpair like JJ.

[greg nice]

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If he will fire again with AK, I prefer raising the flop, if he'll check with AK, I prefer calling.


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if he will fire again with AK why not let him? thats the only way to extract more value from him. he will easily fold to your raise

[Kaz The Original]

Because it means I'm paying of AA, KK and QQ as well.

There are 16 ways of AK, and 18 ways of AA, KK and QQ.