TT theory Question

[Mikey]

What do you think of the plays of each of these two?

You are playing in a loose agressive game.
The game plays loose agressive preflop it plays loose post flop but not with that much agression with an avg of 5-7 players preflop sometimes at 2 bets. You are a well respected player in the game and sometimes your raises sort of get players on the tips of their toes.

You have TT UTG, you believe that if you limp in you may get the 5-7 way action that is normal standard operating procedure maybe at 2 bets if someone raises, but.... if you raise, you may get it down to 3 opponnents, but no less than that.

Should you raise?
Should you call?

How do I calculate the EV or each play?

[elindauer]

I like a call under those conditions, planning to extract most of my value from sets. Out of position against 3 opponents doesn't sound fun.

Either way is profitable. Calculating the EV will be a very difficult task.

good luck.
eric

[DcifrThs]

id go ahead and call UTG.

being OOP w/ a made hand like TT-JJ in that game is not a good spot.

one of the rare times id limp those hands.

Barron

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id go ahead and call UTG.

being OOP w/ a made hand like TT-JJ in that game is not a good spot.

one of the rare times id limp those hands.

Barron

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It is certainly a better spot than 22-99, and 22-99 are all fairly profitable here so I can't say I mind it.

If you are fairly certain raising is going to fold out alot of hands you have heavily beat (J2o, 94o) and leave you to play against over cards, smaller pairs, suited connectors (and of course higher pairs) then limping is best. But if all 6 are going to call, raising is best. This is also hand you can be limp-reraising with frequently, given the right preflop (after you) action.

[helpmeout]

Easy raise, for starters only the weakest players are likely to call you.

Also a set isnt going to win everytime with many opponents, you will of course lose to straights and flushes especially with so many players in. By limping you also wont win this pot unimproved too often.

Your hand still has a big edge against 3 players.

[daryn]

with the exact game you described, i think it's an easy call

[sthief09]

you could probably somewhat accurately simulate these situations using TTH. I don't have my copy anymore. if anyone has it I'd be interested in seeing it. there's a good argument for both.

the other ncie thing about TT is you might be able to rehit it sometimes if there's a raise.

this is a call according to HPFAP but I'm never quite sure what I can apply from that book. some of their assumptions of the games just don't apply.

[DcifrThs]

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Easy raise, for starters only the weakest players are likely to call you.

Also a set isnt going to win everytime with many opponents, you will of course lose to straights and flushes especially with so many players in. By limping you also wont win this pot unimproved too often.

Your hand still has a big edge against 3 players.

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taking TT 4 way OOP even vs. weak players isn't really the best idea. especially if they dont fold flop/turn b/c now you have to face 3 other hands seeing all 5 cards. for me its one of the rare cases that TT plays like 88...

Barron

[DeeJ]

if there's gonna be lots of people in, yeah, lay low. You can accelerate if there's just rags and you have the overpair (or set). Obviously anyone who calls a raise or reraises is likely to have JQKA and out of position this sucks.