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Old 12-12-2005, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

That's the problem... once you bet the turn you are committed, but your opponent isn't.
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

To be playing TPTK in a raised pot 3-handed anything but hard would be playing scared poker. Scared poker is bad poker. I can hardly fathom checking the turn in his situation.

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Old 12-12-2005, 02:01 AM
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Checking the turn lets you get it all in right there instead of waiting for the river.
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:03 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

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Checking the turn lets you get it all in right there instead of waiting for the river.

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And with no reads, just exactly how did you know that villain was going to bet?

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Old 12-12-2005, 02:14 AM
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Because people almost always bet in that spot. The hands most likely to check there are the marginal hands that have few outs against us and don't want to get all-in, so we're rarely losing much if they check behind. In some cases it will get more value out of them if they weren't willing to call the turn.
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:24 AM
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Because people almost always bet in that spot. The hands most likely to check there are the marginal hands that have few outs against us and don't want to get all-in, so we're rarely losing much if they check behind. In some cases it will get more value out of them if they weren't willing to call the turn.

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I really need to get out and play 6-handed and short-handed more if this is true. From my admittedly limited experience I've been building up playing 6-max, I haven't found the auto-bet by villain in position on the turn if checked to to be true at the NL200 level.

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Old 12-12-2005, 02:38 AM
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-garland
soah is right and u are wrong.
im sry.
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Old 12-12-2005, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

I like playing top pair this way in general, but there is something fishy about villains bet on the turn. In my experience a pot sized turn bet (or slight overbet) is usually the goods. Of course, then you have to determine if villain thinks KQ is the goods here. There are worse things than going broke with TPTK 3 handed though.
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Old 12-12-2005, 07:23 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Why wouldnt villain check behind with QJ, QJs, J9s, or any of the other draws that have nothing at the moment and a free card offered to them? I would see villain betting KJ+, 89, and a set here, and maybe 10A, though we can assume a set would raise the flop right?

That leaves us with villains betting the turn with about 5hands we beat, and checking behind all of those that we are ahead of but are quite live against us.

If villain is an aggro donkey I like OP's line fine, but against an unknown dont you think we are asking for trouble checking here?
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