QQ on 3/6 Party --- Pot Too Big To Fold?

KramerTM · #1 08-21-2005, 10:47 PM

When, if ever, can I get away from this hand?

***** Hand History for Game 2575703521 *****
$3/$6 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 21, 22:41:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 39350 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: azcat93 ( $97.12 )
Seat 2: notxes ( $195 )
Seat 4: I_Be_BOB ( $58.33 )
Seat 5: swishpro ( $37.50 )
Seat 6: mike0414 ( $164 )
Seat 7: Roman0001 ( $259 )
Seat 8: GeBee ( $265 )
Seat 9: JeremyS ( $102 )
Seat 10: blocprty ( $136 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $197 )
Hero posts small blind [$1].
I_Be_BOB posts big blind [$3].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd Qs ]
swishpro folds.
mike0414 folds.
Roman0001 folds.
GeBee raises [$6].
JeremyS raises [$9].
blocprty folds.
azcat93 folds.
notxes folds.
Hero raises [$11].
I_Be_BOB folds.
GeBee calls [$6].
JeremyS calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 7h, Td ]
Hero checks.
GeBee checks.
JeremyS checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
Hero checks.
GeBee checks.
JeremyS bets [$6].
Hero calls [$6].
GeBee calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Hero checks.
GeBee bets [$6].
JeremyS folds.
Hero calls [$6].

bandfan · #2 08-21-2005, 10:49 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, 1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

kerrizor · #3 08-21-2005, 10:57 PM

All that checking on the flop doesn't scream A is hiding out there per se. if MP2 has a strong enough A to 3-bet, why aren't they betting on the flop to make a draw play... A-J or A-10? KK?

You needed to bet on the flop to define your hand a little (were you looking to check raise?) the MP2 bet, last to act on a turn with a draw I'm thinking maybe J-10, J-9, 88 that just hit, that is finally getting the courage to get some bets in. The 2 isn't helping anyone, check-call is going to get you 10.5-1 or 11.5-1; I'd be REALLY hesitant to over-call with the A out there, but you're the one with the read.

KramerTM · #4 08-21-2005, 11:02 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, 1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

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I appreciate that man. Didn't realize the hand converter was working again.

KramerTM · #5 08-21-2005, 11:11 PM

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You needed to bet on the flop to define your hand a little

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Betting on the flop into a 3-way capped pot rarely does much to define your hand, I find. At the 3/6 tables, I'm expecting both of these players to call regardless of what cards they hold. For example... if I got two calls after leading out on that flop, how would that affet your action on the turn? I think betting out on the turn, after the flop got checked around, would have helped to define my hand, because people would be much more willing to actually lay down a hand with only 1 card to come and a double-sized bet.

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I'd be REALLY hesitant to over-call with the A out there

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Since one of the guys folded after the other bet, would you agree with my call on the river?

kerrizor · #6 08-22-2005, 01:10 AM

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I'd be REALLY hesitant to over-call with the A out there

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Since one of the guys folded after the other bet, would you agree with my call on the river?

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I'm kind of call-happy on the river, so probably.