Where the hell am I?

sam h · #1 06-30-2005, 11:31 AM

PFR was something like 34/5/1 over several hundred hands. The SB was a clown but not a maniac. The other guy was loose and passive.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP calls, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

What do you think of this flop line? What should I have done if there had been action behind me? Would I be better off trying to get a free card on the turn? Bet the river or no?

sthief09 · #2 06-30-2005, 11:33 AM

with a 9 high flush draw, if you're going to see the turn, you should raise to fold out the Ts, Js, and maybe Qs

sam h · #3 06-30-2005, 11:37 AM

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I definitely considered that, but I'm not sure that's going to work against this lineup. Maybe the PFR folds a ten. The button was also a superdonkey, so I can't see the MP or him folding anything.

B Dids · #4 06-30-2005, 11:46 AM

In what universe are these hands folding?

turnipmonster · #5 06-30-2005, 12:37 PM

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Grisgra · #6 06-30-2005, 01:33 PM

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Surfbullet · #7 06-30-2005, 01:25 PM

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with a 9 high flush draw, if you're going to see the turn, you should raise to fold out the Ts, Js, and maybe Qs

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I don't see these ever folding.

I fold pf FWIW, and like the rest of the hand.

Surf

PokerBob · #8 06-30-2005, 03:15 PM

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with a 9 high flush draw, if you're going to see the turn, you should raise to fold out the Ts, Js, and maybe Qs

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Apparently I'm in the minority, but I agree with Josh here. Maybe I'm a special case, but if I am holding the T, J or Q here, I am NOT going to be happy about calling 2 cold on the flop, especially when there is a distinct possibility that I am not even going to be good if I get there. Hero needs to protect his weak made hand and his weak draw. IMO the raise is good.

PokerBob · #9 06-30-2005, 11:35 AM

I think a flop raise may get pfr out of there with overs and maybe even a K. If SB is a clown, your 8 may very well be the best hand.

imported_azalin · #10 06-30-2005, 11:40 AM

I fold this preflop very easily against a guy with 5% pfr (and i also fold this in general). I fold the flop with 3 players behind me yet to act. I check/fold this turn (really do u think u can scare 3 people off or do u actually believe you have the best hand AND you will not get outdrawn more often than not?). I check/call this river. I also think you can not get a free card on turn usually.