reasons not to slowplay flopped nuts #37

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"Why position is <font color="red">Soooooooooooooooooooooo </font> important in NLHE"

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

1st orbit at the table - no reads

SB ($8.90)
BB ($23.15)
UTG ($6.80)
Hero ($24.75)
MP1 ($25.80)
MP2 ($18.74)
MP3 (Villain)/ ($9.80)
CO ($29.40)
Button ($22.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold

</font> <font color="purple"> .oO(oooh pocket 9's - shame about the position - think I'll see this flop) </font>

Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 (Villain)/ calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $0.9</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.75, MP3 (Villain)/ calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1</font>,

<font color="purple"> .oO(hmmm - 1/3 of the pot - thats either a weak bet or a trap - really ought to raise here - but I have 2nd nuts and the pot is tiny - lets hope Villain raises...) </font>

Hero calls $1, Villain calls $1.

Turn: ($6.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks,

<font color="purple"> .oO(great if i raise now the pot is still going to be small - SB has nothing - Villain is definitely drawing ...)</font>

Ok, I'm really interested to know what hand ranges you put Villain and SB on here - and what cards that might scare you into c/c river. I can't think of many scary cards now and want to get all the money in the middle - but I'm 70% sure a raise will fold out both opponents..

[beavens]

raise preflop, raise the flop to potsized and bet the turn pot sized.

no need to get cute here.

[Isura]

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- and what cards that might scare you into c/c river.

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lol.



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.oO(great if i raise now the pot is still going to be small - SB has nothing - Villain is definitely drawing ...)


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SB only has 6 left, so just bet the pot, he might call with AK, and he's not folding an overpair. What makes you think villain is drawing? He's probably got a pocket pair or a 5. Bet the turn.

[4_2_it]

Only a 5 or the joker would scare me at this point, but there is no way I check/call the river. Lead, maybe check raise (maybe 25% of the time) depending on how villains play my turn bet.

I don't see how you are going to stack someone unless they have the straight or catch a flush on the river. I am okay with the smooth call on the flop to keep 2 villains int he hand, but you have to bet $4 on the turn and hope someone has something.

[Hattifnatt]

raise preflop (but call is ok), I probably raise the flop but a call can be right. Definitely bet/raise turn.

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raise preflop, raise the flop to potsized and bet the turn pot sized.

no need to get cute here.

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raise preflop???

I agree I ought to have raised the pot on the flop but I have such awful position. I hate raising any hand that isn't AA-JJ AK or AQs from EP.

[beavens]

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raise preflop, raise the flop to potsized and bet the turn pot sized.

no need to get cute here.

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raise preflop???

I agree I ought to have raised the pot on the flop but I have such awful position. I hate raising any hand that isn't AA-JJ AK or AQs from EP.

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just how i play - 99 is a good hand, not the best of course, but worthy of a raise.

i'm actually thinking about just calling the flop, but definitely potting the turn/raising a bet.

Play it like you would if you went into this pot with A9s.
He bets into you you make a 2/3, 3/4 pot size raise as if to protect your top pair. If they fold, they have nothing and you where going to get a small pot anyway. If you get action, your going to win a big pot that could of been small if you play the entire hand worried about them folding.

I can't count howmany times Ive seen two strong hands go all the way to showdown with a tiny pot because they where both scared to chase each other out.

Also if your only raising the flop with top pair type hands and slowplaying with strong hands, you become very readable.

[LetYouDown]

This hand is utterly confusing. First of all, you didn't flop the nuts. Second of all you say you're worried about raising the turn when no one has even bet. How do you raise when no one has bet?

You need to bet at least 2/3 of the pot on the turn. Ok, so the draw hits on the river...if it checks around on the turn, the pot is small and you'll never get any reasonable value. Make him pay to draw, hope he gets there and fire a +pot sized bet on the river.

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Also if your only raising the flop with top pair type hands and slowplaying with strong hands, you become very readable.

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why? and do you mean from EP or from anywhere? - I raise with a lot more hands in LP than I do from UTG+1

I rarely slowplay any hands, 1 every other day maybe... it still frequently blows up in my face - and everytime it does I tell myself to stop doing it - tho I still continue [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]