15/30 QTs flop - Page 3

Chris Daddy Cool · #1 12-19-2005, 11:43 PM

trying to push this guy off his hand would be spewing. just use your pot odds to see the river. he ain't folding.

sfer · #2 12-20-2005, 12:10 AM

Put me in with everyone else in that check/calling is best. I dunno if you're really undecided about this but if he's raising < 11% of his hands I doubt AQ is an autoraise there and the board is raggedy enough such that he's rarely folding anything.

Also, I think check/call > check/raise > bet/whatever > check/fold.

jason_t · #3 12-20-2005, 12:37 AM

Okay, I'm glad to see there is unanimous decision with my chosen line. I saw there was already discussion about how to play if I hit. Here we go.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, I raise, 1 fold, CO calls, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, I call, CO calls.

Flop: (10.66 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
I check, CO checks, Button bets, I call, CO calls.

Turn: (6.83 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Piiop · #4 12-20-2005, 12:42 AM

I'd bet because CO is in the middle, I don't want him to check behind with AK/AQ, he'll raise with a good portion of his holdings so I can 3bet.

Victor · #5 12-20-2005, 01:26 AM

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I'd bet because CO is in the middle, I don't want him to check behind with AK/AQ, he'll raise with a good portion of his holdings so I can 3bet.

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Shillx · #6 12-20-2005, 06:57 AM

I like the check/call on the flop. I would bet the turn and then check/raise the river if it isn't a crub and I just get called in one spot. I would bet the river if I get called in both spots and it isn't a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

This looks very familier to a post I made a while back where I took the former line, got 3-bet on the end and was shown the nuts. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

catlover · #7 12-20-2005, 10:52 AM

Preflop: QTs is worth a raise in this spot and it's not particularly close. Even Q9s is worth a raise here.

Flop: I don't agree with the crowd. I think the best play was to lead. If fish calls and button raises, you call. The reason this play is right is that if you keep them both, you are getting +EV for your bet. And occasionally you will pick up the pot.

Turn: I don't like check-raising because the bet is likely to come from the wrong position. So you should lead.

dave44 · #8 12-20-2005, 06:39 PM

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I would bet the turn and then check/raise the river if it isn't a crub and I just get called in one spot.

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Why would you want to check-raise the river if you get called by only one? CO is a loose passive who you can't count on to value bet anything and Button's most likely hand has to be AK which he very well might show down hoping you tried to pull some semi-bluff crap with one club, but almost certainly isn't betting himself.

banditbdl · #9 12-20-2005, 01:58 AM

I'd lead and 3-bet if CO calls and Button raises. I don't think cr'ing gets you all that much equity from cleaning up any outs against the CO and it would really suck to lose him from contributing big bets when you hit.

Joe Tall · #10 12-20-2005, 10:53 AM

You check and call, that's it. With the likely combatants and the said action; this hand is destined for a showdown.