KK turns ugly.

[GrunchCan]

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How 'bout a preflop raise?

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Just to reinforce this. I totally skipped over the fact that hero didn't re-raise PF, but really should have.

[Larimani]

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How 'bout a preflop raise?

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Just to reinforce this. I totally skipped over the fact that hero didn't re-raise PF, but really should have.

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Do you NEVER cold call with AA/KK in that spot??

[GrunchCan]

Well, you know, never say never...

But no, I generally don't. Mostly becasue I want maximum value for my hand now, preflop, while I have an equity edge. I could consider flatcalling preflop, butr I would need a specifric read on the opponent that tells me that flatcalling is more +EV than re-raising now. I think that read is pretty unusual. Like for instance, if I know he will bluff himself allin if he doesn't encounter resistance but will collapse if there's is any resistance, then I'd probably flatcall.

Against standard opponents, it's often said that a flatcall is more +EV becasue you can get more of your opponent's stack postflop if he doesn't read you for KK preflop. But I disagree. If your opponent has a hand that he's willing to go to the felt with if you don't reraise PF, he's probably willing to jettison chips with it postflop even if you do. Besides, if you flatcall PF you're going to lose your deceptive screen eventually anyway, and your opponent will still put you on KK.

[aces_dad]

Having the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] adds 9 more outs minus any villian may have giving you the odds to call the turn raise. Against someone playing this many hands and half our stack in already I'd be ready to get it all in on the river with a Kh flush here.

[Pocket77s]

If he is your typical LAG, he probably raised with a med PP, I would have re-raised preflop considering he could be raising with anything. What kind of hands does this guy raise with? Anyway, I wouldn't like the board pairing and having a three flush on the board. He might have raised with a hand like A8, or A9, but I find that unlikley UTG even for a LAG, I think it is more likely he raised with a Medium pocket pair or suited overcards. But I would folded the turn, facing a raise. When I go up against a LAG, I let him bet the pot for me and just call him down.