folded the river. Should I have folded before this?

[MicroBob]

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gutshot [4], a backdoor flush[1.5], and I had my two ten outs that may be good as well[2]

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you know this already...but all of your outs are tainted.

Furthermore, if you hit ANY of your outs and they actually are good then the action you receive is likely to be very limited to almost nil much of the time.

Yes...a black J gives you the nuts....but even if your opponent has a worse hand that he's not folding (2-pair or a set perhaps) he's only going to be calling you down. Your nuts will not get any action (unless it's being split with someone).
And you could hit on the turn and THEN get drawn-out on (by a flush or full-house)....afterall, your opponents have likely hit this flop fairly decently.


I probably fold on the flop here even with this size of a pot. I'm willing to listen to how incredibly wrong that might be...but I just think these outs-calculations are pretty optimistic.

[Guruman]

7 may have been too much, but I only needed four. Also, if I connected with the J, I may have gotten a bet out of both villains on two streets if they both had something like a set or two pair.

redraws really mess this hand up for me though, as hitting the J likely just splits the pot, and hitting the T completes a broadway for someone else. I was really hoping for the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] more than anything. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]