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11-19-2005, 03:30 PM
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this god is not worth reverence.
"A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence."
Alan Watts (paraphrazed) 
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#2
11-19-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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"A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there.
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#3
11-19-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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[ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking?
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#4
11-19-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely Catholic doctrine. Hell is reserved for those who choose to separate themselves from God through Mortal Sin and fail to repent.
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#5
11-19-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely Catholic doctrine. Hell is reserved for those who choose to separate themselves from God through Mortal Sin and fail to repent. [/ QUOTE ] I thought Catholics believed one can only get to heaven through belief in Christ. Is this wrong?
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#6
11-19-2005, 08:08 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely Catholic doctrine. Hell is reserved for those who choose to separate themselves from God through Mortal Sin and fail to repent. [/ QUOTE ] I thought Catholics believed one can only get to heaven through belief in Christ. Is this wrong? [/ QUOTE ] We believe that one can attain Heaven with a combination of Faith and Good Works. My main point is that the opportunity to go to Heaven is for everyone, and those who don't go to Heaven choose not to have the Faith or perform the Good Works that are demanded.
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#7
11-19-2005, 06:06 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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"A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] People who believe in a god like that, reveal a lot about themselves and have a very low opinion of the god they supposedly believe in. God will reserve his greatest punishment for them. I've checked with my god and the plan is to have them in 'eternal' hell until they come to understand for themselves that as god is good it must be a bluff. chez
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#8
11-20-2005, 07:55 AM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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...as god is good it must be a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] A bluff wouldn't be terribly good unless it serves some noble purpose... I'd say it's a cryptic message of goodness badly misinterpreted and often misused and abused by fallible humans.
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#9
11-20-2005, 08:11 AM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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[ QUOTE ] ...as god is good it must be a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] A bluff wouldn't be terribly good unless it serves some noble purpose... I'd say it's a cryptic message of goodness badly misinterpreted and often misused and abused by fallible humans. [/ QUOTE ] The point would be to put someone in a position where they see how unfair their punishment is and then to realise that it can't be the product of goodness. Thereby they learn what being good means. I suspect with some people it would take a long time, but most will probably get there after a few billion years. What noble purpose could any god have other than giving us the joy of appreciating something for ourselves? chez
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