Hypothetical pocket pair situation

[Wevie]

Early in a party 10+1 you're dealt a small pocket pair. You limnp and one person raises. You want a cheap flop hoping to make your set or fold. How big of a raise would you call with:

22-55 ?

66-99 ?

[kyro]

How would 99 be any different from 22 if you're looking to set up or fold?

In an 800 chip game, if I'm the only one who limped, the next guy raised and it was folded to me, I'd call up to 45 more. That number goes up if there are more people who called the raise, and down if there are people in between me and the raiser left to act.

[Wevie]

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How would 99 be any different from 22 if you're looking to set up or fold?



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Hmmm..... That's a good question. I guess with 99 you may have other options than set or fold.

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How would 99 be any different from 22 if you're looking to set up or fold?

In an 800 chip game, if I'm the only one who limped, the next guy raised and it was folded to me, I'd call up to 45 more. That number goes up if there are more people who called the raise, and down if there are people in between me and the raiser left to act.

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+1

[mosdef]

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How would 99 be any different from 22 if you're looking to set up or fold?

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your set-over-set downside losses drop quite a bit as you move from 22 to 99. it's a rare event in any case, but you lose your whole stack when it happens.

[kyro]

blah blah. minor details.

Honestly though, that's going to happen so seldom, it would really only be a change of a few chips here or there in the long run.

[mosdef]

sure, but it is the difference between small pairs if you intend play past the flop iff you flop a set.

[kyro]

i know. i'm saying it won't change how much i'll call a raise on.

[mosdef]

good point. effectively it may make no difference, since the raise size is typically mutliples of 5/10/15 or whatever, and the difference may be only 5 chips or something. this is basically what you said, isn't it?

for what it's worth, i don't think the OP question can be nailed down that precisely. it depends heavily on how many chips you can extract from the opposition when you make a set, and this is heavily read dependent. since most of us operate essentially without reads, the "correct" answer is pretty tough to state with any real precision. personally, I am usually out of there if there is even a min raise, unless there are a handful of limpers already or i have seen the raiser toss half his stack on a stupid hand already.

[kyro]

I disagree. Most players, even at the $55s, have no problem with going to the felt if they've raised PF and have hit at least top pair.