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Old 11-19-2005, 09:40 PM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls $9.75 (All-In), <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (11.73 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (14.73 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 16.73 BB

No reads. If you plan on doing something different you have to say if you are folding to a raise/3-bet. Thanks,

Krishan
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Old 11-19-2005, 09:45 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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i checkraise the turn and fold to a 3bet. if you dont feel comfortable folding however then i think the way you played it is ok.
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:34 PM
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This may sound a little blasphemous, but did you consider just calling the three-bet in the BB? CO is going to get all all his money in anyway (most likely) so you give up the chance to get an extra BB pre-flop, and in trade you (1) see if MP caps (and make back the 1 BB); (2) leave Button with the lead if you want him to have it (and he'll bet the flop almost always if it is checked to him), allowing you to donk if you like, or to have the chance to C/R the flop and face MP and all-in boy with two (presumably all-in boy calls, but you could knock out MP). I don't think I've been in this position with JJ and so haven't done it, but pretty sure I have with TT.

Post-flop, about the only thing I would do differently some portion of the time is to C/R the friendly turn -- but in so doing, I'd have to fold to a 3-bet. I'll often take the line you took given the prior streets' action.
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:35 PM
JimmyJazz1 JimmyJazz1 is offline
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why not 3 bet the flop?
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:36 PM
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w/MP in there i think u must checkraise the turn.
if u get threebet, foldism.
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:37 PM
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You have overlay from MP on the turn. Check/raise and dump if 3-bet.
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:41 PM
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I like the turn checkraise in theory but I'm not folding an overpair to an unknown's 3-bet in a pot this size at 10/20. Checkraising and calling down might still be best though. Not really sure.
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:44 PM
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I play it the same.

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Old 11-19-2005, 10:45 PM
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I like the turn checkraise in theory but I'm not folding an overpair to an unknown's 3-bet in a pot this size at 10/20. Checkraising and calling down might still be best though. Not really sure.

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What is 3-betting the turn that Hero beats? Am I right in thinking that most villains are not taking that line with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:48 PM
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What is 3-betting the turn that Hero beats?

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Nothing sane but we are talking about an unknown here in a pretty aggro game. I think he will be overplaying or looney often enough that giving up the pot plus our chance at 2 outs is a clear mistake.
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