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Old 07-19-2005, 01:40 PM
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Ed Miller is rad.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Bitter No More? (problems with SSHE starting hand charts)

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So cheer up, everyone who thinks they really are a good, maybe even great player, but their results just aren't showing it - there really is hope!

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Awesome!

I know I'm a great player but I keep losing my bankroll and can't figure out why. Thanks to your advice, I've started systematically pulling pages out of poker books and re-reading the new expurgated versions.

In my case, I think my preflop play is OK but my play after the flop was bad. So I ripped the entire post-flop section of SSHE out, and burned it so I wasn't temped to put it back in, and not only am I finally winning, but it doesn't take nearly as long to reread SSHE!

Thanks so much for helping turn my poker life around!
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:34 PM
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Sorry guy, I can't agree with you on this. I've read SSHE over, and over, and over again and again. Each time I learn a new concept and each time earn more money at the table. The first time I read it I "thought" I was better but after re-reading it, I realized I had more work to do. But I'm glad your winning. As long as your winning it doesn't matter how you do it. I feel you on the BB. I just can only laugh when someone hits a runner runner heart to draw out on your top pair Q w/ Ace kicker. "friggin FISH"
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: Bitter No More? (problems with SSHE starting hand charts)

Oh man that's just comedy [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Way to laugh off the criticism, Ed.
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: Bitter No More? (problems with SSHE starting hand charts)

Sorry, Ed - just being bitter about almost giving up [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img].

Maybe the games have changed since the book was written, but I have just not had any luck with these guidelines. Some players are a lot worse than usual, others are some seriously decent players for 2/4 or 3/6 trying to move up, and of course you have the LAGs and the trappers.

One of the problems with reading two dozen poker books and applying them all is that when things go south, and you reread them to reinforce your learning, if things still don't turn around, you have to figure out what you read that needs adjustment. That adds up to almost 7500 pages for me - that's a lot of thinking to do.

Now I have normal swings, instead of always winning small or losing big, and I am confident that I should have a positive expectation (at the smaller limits at least), because now I can take my bad beats. I saw a guy raise JJ under the gun the other day, his opponent called with 72o and flopped 2 pair (no fooling), the jacks bet all the way down with an overpair in a heads-up pot, the fish didnt even bother to raise him. When he saw that he had lost, he swore and left the table - when the game was excellent. I used to be like that, thinking I lost my profit for the entire day on a hand like that, now I chuckle and increase my buy-in when I get my better hands cracked like that, since I know that they won't stay lucky forever.

Will keep everyone posted.

- Bitterness is joy with a bad attitude
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:48 AM
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Default Re: Bitter No More? (problems with SSHE starting hand charts)

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thinking I lost my profit for the entire day on a hand like that,

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Wow! Your profit for the day is 3.5 BB! It's going to take a while to get that million!

P.S. Can I have your starting hand chart!
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:15 AM
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:16 AM
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Old 07-22-2005, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: Bitter No More? (problems with SSHE starting hand charts)

That's exactly right, I was a 1.5 - 2 BB/hr winner beforehand, and I would play for a couple hours after dinner before bed:

2 SB from PF caller + blinds = 1.75BB net profit
1 SB on flop = 2.25 BB net profit
1 BB on turn and river = 4.25 BB net profit, less rake
= about 3.75 BB
/2 = 1.875 BB/hr

Of course, now that I'm winning again, I'm playing a lot more [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. I just had aces cracked tonight to someone who cold-called a raise w 37s, played for an hour before dinner, would have been up 16 BB, but still made just over 4BB/hr, and added a new fish to my list.
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Old 07-22-2005, 07:47 PM
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read the loose games section of HEPFAP, and rake in the buxxx.

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You're now folding AJo on the button after four loose players limp?
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