That's my card, baby!

DavidC · #1 05-13-2005, 11:40 AM

Played friday morning (10a Eastern).

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Sometimes I'll bet out on this flop between $1 and $1.50.

How would you guys normally play this hand? My main focus here is the turn, but any help on the preflop / flop is appreciated.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($39.45)
CO ($25.75)
Button ($25.7)
Hero ($29.95)
BB ($22.3)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($61.3)
UTG+2 ($28.07)
MP1 ($22.15)
MP2 ($23.9)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.1.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets $1, MP1 calls $1, MP3 folds, Hero calls $1, BB folds.

Turn: ($4.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4...

Always Rockets · #2 05-13-2005, 11:47 AM

I don't think theres anything wrong with that but if you get repopped you have to fold...either you take the pot down here or youre drawing to a diamond (And you still could be behind)...fold to a re-raise...

DavidC · #3 05-13-2005, 01:59 PM

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I don't think theres anything wrong with that but if you get repopped you have to fold...either you take the pot down here or youre drawing to a diamond (And you still could be behind)...fold to a re-raise...

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Uh... I guess that depends on how much they raise me. If they minraise me, I'm getting 4 on a 16 pot and the stacks are deep enough to justify it (I'd probably get an additional $8 to $10 in on the river with my flush).

But yes, if I'm raised, I can't count my queens, because they'll make someone a boat, or lose to a straight. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

--Dave.

DavidC · #4 05-13-2005, 03:13 PM

Does anyone just check-call this, or check-raise it? Does anyone bet less than I did?

--Dave.

AdamL · #5 05-13-2005, 03:43 PM

If I were in this position, I'd take some junk hand like K3 (but it'd be suited at least) and repop you, and make your ass fold. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

rikz · #6 05-13-2005, 03:58 PM

I would rather bet $1.25 right at the flop to win there.

If I bet at the flop only to have a villain make a big reraise, then I would suspect a made straight or a set - so I'd fold. If a villain makes a small raise, then I might call depending on the odds of hitting my flush on the next card.

If I'm only called on the flop, then I'd usually bet 3/4 on the turn no matter what hits. Again, it's math if I'm raised to determine if it's worth calling that raise.

But if I'm called yet AGAIN on the turn, then I value bet the river ESPECIALLY if I miss my flush since you will often end up in that kind of situation (villain only calls the flop and calls the turn) where villain had a higher flush draw (i.e. Ax diamonds) that he will fold to your 1/4 pot "value bet" instead of calling with A-high.

Basically, if I'm playing for a flush or straight, I prefer to take a shot at the flop as a semi-bluff while the pot's still small. Then, read dependent, I'll keep betting until I win by getting villain to fold, I win with a flush, or I fold to a massive reraise from villain.

Does anybody else prefer to semi-bluff from the SB from the flop on rather than check/call?

Daithi · #7 05-13-2005, 04:40 PM

This is one of those hands I like to play aggressive. So I would have check-raised on the flop (about $5). If someone moves all-in I'd probably fold, and if I get a caller I'd slow down on the turn (lead out for $3.50).

DavidC · #8 05-13-2005, 05:55 PM

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If I were in this position, I'd take some junk hand like K3 (but it'd be suited at least) and repop you, and make your ass fold. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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crazygoose · #9 05-13-2005, 07:10 PM

I would checkraise that turn for sure. If the villain is good he'll bet to charge the flush draw. When you raise him he'll really have little idea what you have. I think that's maximizing your winnings in this situation.
If the villain is a fish I think betting out is the right move because he'll call down with second pair if he's a real fish.

WSOPwinner10 · #10 05-13-2005, 07:24 PM

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