Turn help

suited_ace · #1 03-16-2005, 05:54 PM

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t3145)
MP2 (t1135)
MP3 (t1495)
CO (t715)
Button (t1515)
Hero (t1420)
BB (t1525)
UTG (t1030)
UTG+1 (t2070)
UTG+2 (t950)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls t40, 1 fold, MP1 calls t40, 1 fold, MP3 calls t40, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t200) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t40, MP1 calls t40, MP3 calls t40, Hero raises to t400, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t360.

Note: Basically I can do this with NE2. Their betting is way too weak.

Turn: (t1080) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero?

I found MP3's calling of my flop raise a little bit strange, and basically i'm putting him on a flush draw and/or 2 overcards. Ax of clubs is the most likely holding. I'm beat here 80% of the time (maybe more), but is there any other option than check/folding?

curtains · #2 03-16-2005, 05:56 PM

Turn help?? How about flop help. You proudly boast how can you raise any 2 on the flop to 400 chips, yet someone calls you. Maybe this shuold lead you to reexamine the risk/reward of your play?

The flop play is much more relevant here than the turn.

suited_ace · #3 03-16-2005, 07:30 PM

Snap! What can I say? You're right. And I'm sorry that it sounded so pretentious.

I've been testing this play, actually, and I still need to learn which spots to pick. Obviously I still have some learning to do...

curtains · #4 03-16-2005, 07:31 PM

It didn't sound pretentious. I just found it funny that you wnould put in a big raise on the flop with nothing after 3 players have put in small bets, get called, and yet ask for advice about the turn!

suited_ace · #5 03-16-2005, 07:47 PM

I asked for advice for the turn because I checked-raised all-in and it actually worked. I'm seeing a lot of draws to the nut flush pushing it on the flop after they get raised by a genuine a hand (and not the junk I had), and he didn't do that.

What I really wanted to know was the kinds of hands you think I was probably against. Some time ago, I would be sure he had Ax of clubs, but because of the more recent nut-draw-pushing fest I did the check-raise as a test. It worked, so it made me wonder if this is a trend or if I just got lucky.

Even if the flop play is terrible, it put me in an interesting spot, so I thought I could learn something out of it...