River block turned call...

AZK · #1 12-08-2005, 10:52 PM

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 ($4825)
Hero ($5047)
MP2 ($7567)
MP3 ($6059)
CO ($6754)
Button ($7798)
SB ($3872)
BB ($5097)
UTG ($6685)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls $50, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $225, 4 folds, Hero calls $175.

Flop: ($525) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $525, Hero calls $525.

Turn: ($1575) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($1575) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $500, MP3 raises to $3000, Hero calls $2500.

Final Pot: $7575

This was against The Awesomest. Who always seems to have a stack but loses it as well. Something didn't mesh right with the turn/river action. Thoughts.

xorbie · #2 12-08-2005, 10:55 PM

What was your reasoning on the flop check/call? I think this is a great, great board to checkraise.

FoxwoodsFiend · #3 12-08-2005, 10:57 PM

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Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 ($4825)
Hero ($5047)
MP2 ($7567)
MP3 ($6059)
CO ($6754)
Button ($7798)
SB ($3872)
BB ($5097)
UTG ($6685)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls $50, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $225, 4 folds, Hero calls $175.

Flop: ($525) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $525, Hero calls $525.

Turn: ($1575) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($1575) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $500, MP3 raises to $3000, Hero calls $2500.

Final Pot: $7575

This was against The Awesomest. Who always seems to have a stack but loses it as well. Something didn't mesh right with the turn/river action. Thoughts.

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So you don't think that anybody would slowplay a 6 here? Because to me something does mesh right with this action-he has a 6 and is trying to get you to put some more money in. Once you bet the turn he says "great, he's giving me some bite-let's raise and hope he has an ace or something." I'm not saying this is definitely the case and obviously a bluff is possible but I wouldn't say that this line is at all inconsistent with having a 6.

Also, I would almost always check/call the river instead of betting and exposing myself to your situation.

AZK · #4 12-08-2005, 11:02 PM

There is no hand he has wtih a 6 in it, at least I don't think. I also think he would be the turn with the straight be it A or 6.

FoxwoodsFiend · #5 12-08-2005, 11:21 PM

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There is no hand he has wtih a 6 in it, at least I don't think. I also think he would be the turn with the straight be it A or 6.

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I don't know why you would think either thing. Until the turn, there's no reason why he can't have any hand. He raised preflop, put in a cont. bet and never had to call a raise so he could be making a move with 67 or AJ on the flop.
As for the turn, I guess this is read-dependent but I never rule out the possibility of somebody slowplaying a monster with position on the turn.

yvesaint · #6 12-08-2005, 11:23 PM

what does your flop check-call mean to him? what hands would you check-call this flop with? overpair? 4 + pair? 4x? could he possibly put in your range a set?

AZK · #7 12-08-2005, 11:30 PM

My calling range is probably straight, set, pair. I probably raise with a combo.

xorbie · #8 12-08-2005, 11:36 PM

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My calling range is probably straight, set, pair. I probably raise with a combo.

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This is my biggest complaint with call here. Check raise looks more like 88 or soething with a 4.

FoxwoodsFiend · #9 12-08-2005, 11:36 PM

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My calling range is probably straight, set, pair. I probably raise with a combo.

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So you think this is villain taking the chance that you don't have a straight in order to push you off a pair or a set? That's pretty ballsy.

AZK · #10 12-08-2005, 11:48 PM

I don't know. I mean I lead for the river, it looks weak, he is aggressive enough to sense that. He thinks for a while, then raises to 3000. Just seemed odd, I would think he would raise less with a nut hand.

I feel like an ace has to be this turn because most of the time a tight opponent has a set...