AK vs extremely Aggresive tag(says PT)

[POKhER]

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<u>MP - An AGGRESSIVE TAG</u> My notes show the following:

He once Smooth called a flopped set,
He Preflop raises on the button with 2 or so limpers with A5s.

Hes played most things pretty standard, He did continuation bet a 976 flop with QJs having 3bet from button after CO raised then checked the flop to him. He spiked a jack on the turn and bet but then checked behind on the Ace(976JA).

He also represented trips on the river as a bluff with KJ HU on a QA85Q flop after he'd been calling down OOP.

So basically MP is an aggressive TAG who raises alot of hands in CO/Button and has once bluffed the river OOP HU.

PT Stats of:22/16/4.2 over 1200 hands. 38/56 WTSD/W$SD </font>

<u>Button on the other hand</u> has no notes and is 34/9/.74 over 290 with WTSD and W$SD of: 47/37



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$1/2 5Handed 6max Game

Preflop:(5handed) Hero(CO) in CO with: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="red">MP Raises</font> , <font color="red">Hero 3Bets</font>, Button Calls, SB Calls, BB folds, MP calls.


Flop:(13 SB) A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB Checks, <font color="red">MP bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero Raises</font>, Button Calls, SB Calls,<font color="red"> MP ReRaise(3bet)</font>, Hero Calls, Button Calls, SB Folds

Turn: (12 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="red">MP Bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero Raises</font>, Button Calls, <font color="red">MP 3bets.</font>, Hero Calls, Button Calls.


River:(21BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP Checks, Hero Checks, Button Checks.

Reasons for my play to come later, Critque all streets [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[fyodor]

I play it the same.

[jba]

dude, I like everything about this.

waiting for the turn to pop it again in this huge pot is superb.

you can't bet the river I agree, I really doubt you're ahead of MP in the first place and button has been playing like he has a flush.

vnh

[Obliky]

I would have capped the flop here... if a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] comes on the turn it could limit your action so i would prefer to get the money in now when your most likely ahead.

I dont mind the rest of the hand tbh [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Edit: Bah..im wrong. The only way to protect your hand here is to call the flop 3-bet and hope the MP player bets into you on the turn so you can raise and face the button with 2 bets. nh

I play it the same, then spend the next 20 minutes being distracted while I try to decide if capping the flop would have been better.

Given the flop, I don't see any other way to play turn or river.

[POKhER]

If he bets the river, do you want to call or fold?

I feel i can't comment as i'm biased to the results. Ill post their hands shortly.

i was suprised at the TAGS AF, i thought it was a dodgey sample size or something lol.

Pistol: About the notes, they are shorthanded converted to long hand so no one got confused with my crazy abbreviations LOL.

[jba]

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Cap that flop! You're almost certainly way ahead here barring an unlikely 77/66 from MP. Button isn't aggressive to let you know what he has either way and he loves to get to showdown, so ignore the monsters and keep betting.

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correct me if I'm wrong pokher, but the reasoning behind waiting until the turn to raise again after MP's 3bet isn't because we are seeing monsters but because we want to protect our hand. if button has some 7x/6x/gutshot hand we can force him to make mistakes on the turn much easier if we let MP bet into us again.

[POKhER]

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Cap that flop! You're almost certainly way ahead here barring an unlikely 77/66 from MP. Button isn't aggressive to let you know what he has either way and he loves to get to showdown, so ignore the monsters and keep betting.

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correct me if I'm wrong pokher, but the reasoning behind waiting until the turn to raise again after MP's 3bet isn't because we are seeing monsters but because we want to protect our hand. if button has some 7x/6x/gutshot hand we can force him to make mistakes on the turn much easier if we let MP bet into us again.

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Spot on, Hand protection.

I didn't expect SB to fold of course and that would mean the pot would be huge.

its 13SB now, 4players paying 4bets = 16bets + 13 bets.

Thats 29SB on the turn or 14.5BB
MP bets, I raise thats 17.5:2 or 8-9:1 (Gut shots can call with HUGE IMPLIED if they hit).

Anyhow its pretty hard to think that when holding TPTK in a huge pot with one nutty opponent lol.

I think my reasoning is ok and i think protection probably was the best line although i wonder if the implied actually mean he can call a gutshot anyhow the way i played it.

Which would mean capping for value was best.

edit: didnt notice peters response sorry,
MP's 3bet after me showing alot of aggression preflop and on the flop says me i'm behind so i think capping(Specially when the queen hits) is a bit to aggressive.

Who disagrees? What have you got MP on?

[callydrias]

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Cap that flop! You're almost certainly way ahead here barring an unlikely 77/66 from MP. Button isn't aggressive to let you know what he has either way and he loves to get to showdown, so ignore the monsters and keep betting.

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correct me if I'm wrong pokher, but the reasoning behind waiting until the turn to raise again after MP's 3bet isn't because we are seeing monsters but because we want to protect our hand. if button has some 7x/6x/gutshot hand we can force him to make mistakes on the turn much easier if we let MP bet into us again.

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I'll reply since you quoted my post.

Raising the turn here, as played, gives button 14:2 to call. Do you really think you're forcing out someone who sees almost 50% WtSD? I certainly wouldn't count on it. Sure, you may be creating a bigger mistake for the button if he has a small pair or a gutshot, but who's to say what he has? Until he wakes up, I'm ignoring him. I think there's more value in showing strength on the flop against the aggressor to allow you to take more advantage of your position on later streets.

Regarding the "monsters" bit, I was only acknowledging that there was another player in the hand, not that OP's decision to slow down was every based on that.

[callydrias]

Awesome reads. It's so nice to have something besides stats to go on in these posts. (You might want to consider using shorthand to keep your notes fit on the screen. Eg, the first note becomes: sc F w/ set; second: pfr 2limp OTB A5s; etc.)

Back to the hand at, err, hand.

Cap that flop! You're almost certainly way ahead here barring an unlikely 77/66 from MP. Button isn't aggressive to let you know what he has either way and he loves to get to showdown, so ignore the monsters and keep betting.

The hand may or may not play differently if you cap the flop. The way you played it, the raise/call is good. Be afraid of that turn 3-bet though. He knows you have an A after your preflop and flop action. His 3-bet here says he can beat it - probably with AQ/A7/A6.

River check though is good. I'd be more concerned about MP's likely 2-pair than about button catching his draw.