88 preflop question

[SenecaJim]

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I am going to assume that at least one of the 2 (if not both) have a bigger pair than you. Therefore you need 4:1 (including implied odds) to call this. The pot is currently has 9sbs in it and it is going to cost you 2 more. We are sure that the sb is going to throw in one more. So effectively you are getting 5:1 on your call. Therefore I call and flop a set or I go bye-bye.

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I believe the odds to flop a set are about 7.5:1. I think 4.5:1 is if you take the hand to river no matter what, which you won't, so use the odds for flopping it.

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These flop-a-set odds are assuming you are behind right now. I don't think you necessarily are. You say SB is a good player. How does he view you? Would he think you are trying to steal the blinds? Do you think he wouldn't defend without a pair bigger than 8's, no AK or AQ or KQs? Or less? Who knows with BB? He might sense a steal battle, decided his hand was good enough to stick around so might as well cap as let you do it.

You don't mention the limits, but if blind stealing is prudent in this game and you fold here, you can kiss off ever stealing a blind from these guys...CALL here. If no overcards come on flop and checked to me, i'm betting again, set or not.