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11-03-2005, 12:36 AM
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Re: More Derb Hands
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seriously though, he likes to check and slowplay to induce action it seems. and he balances that with turn raises and river plays that seem nonsensical in isolation but are beginning to make sense. [/ QUOTE ] ding ding! 
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#2
11-03-2005, 09:52 AM
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Re: More Derb Hands
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[ QUOTE ] seriously though, he likes to check and slowplay to induce action it seems. and he balances that with turn raises and river plays that seem nonsensical in isolation but are beginning to make sense. [/ QUOTE ] ding ding! [/ QUOTE ] and what about the hands that are being presented that not even metagame considerations can save?
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#3
11-03-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: More Derb Hands
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and what about the hands that are being presented that not even metagame considerations can save? [/ QUOTE ] Example? I remember seeing 1 A high calldown in the hands posted in this thread that looked really bad on its own and ive certainly seen hands that look bad when playing w/ him but I'm not so sure anymore. Gimme a hand that you dont think metagame considerations / game theory can explain. Im begining to think that much of his play can be explained through unconventional (by 2+2 wisdom) game theory adaptations. He certainly gets out of line on the turn and river much more often than most winning players but he also gets much more action on his strong hands on the turn and river. Additionally he seldom seems to be far out of line without at the very least a redraw. The real problem is that I am only looking at hands he showed down which usually means he won the hand so I'm not getting to see all the times he does this with complete crap. His going to showdown too often with losers as others have mentioned could be his way of gaurenteeing he is never bluffed, a sort of safegaurd that may be necessary with his style / multitabling, im not sure, just speculating. This is all just food for thought. -Brad
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#4
11-04-2005, 08:45 PM
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Re: More Derb Hands
I have never really understood what the fascination is with Derb/Lojzka/Brizganc -- i routinely own that guy when i'm to his left. I certainly don't LIKE playing with the guy because I know he's pushed me off a couple winners with his screwball turn raises, but 3-betting him preflop is a pretty simply counter-strategy.
Do you know what kind of trash you have to raise with to get all the way to 17%?? As for postflop, I make a habit of checking behind him with my mediocre turn hands, because it nearly ALWAYS draws a river bet out of him. Sometimes the river card kills me, but more often I catch him making a losing desperation play, and he'll also call a river bet with only ace-high, as has been pointed out. Putting this guy up on a pedestal as though he's discovered some holy grail of LHE is just silly. He makes a living out of bullying unimaginitive TAG / ABC Poker / raise-fold-to-a-3-bet 2+2ers.
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#5
11-03-2005, 07:11 AM
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Re: More Derb Hands
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seriously though, he likes to check and slowplay to induce action it seems. and he balances that with turn raises and river plays that seem nonsensical in isolation but are beginning to make sense. [/ QUOTE ] Add to that: He often seems to have some outs (gutshot etc) when making a move on the turn with a questionable hand. Somewhat analogous to a NL SuperSystem bluffing style. Hence all the bad beats he dishes out.
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#6
11-03-2005, 12:26 PM
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Re: More Derb Hands
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Add to that: He often seems to have some outs (gutshot etc) when making a move on the turn with a questionable hand. Somewhat analogous to a NL SuperSystem bluffing style. Hence all the bad beats he dishes out. [/ QUOTE ] Recently Ive encountered more players at higher limits doing just this. DERB is not alone in this tactic. Additionally, Greenstien makes mention of employing a similar strategy in his book. -Brad
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#7
11-03-2005, 02:58 PM
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Re: More Derb Hands
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[ QUOTE ] Add to that: He often seems to have some outs (gutshot etc) when making a move on the turn with a questionable hand. Somewhat analogous to a NL SuperSystem bluffing style. Hence all the bad beats he dishes out. [/ QUOTE ] Recently Ive encountered more players at higher limits doing just this. DERB is not alone in this tactic. Additionally, Greenstien makes mention of employing a similar strategy in his book. -Brad [/ QUOTE ] DERB does this different than your average high limit good player. Check raising gutshots is a decent way of adding a good mix to your shania/range of hands. It's somewhat random and has equity. As is doing it when you have a backdoor flush. When good players do it they are doing it to mix it up, because there's a good flow, because they could have 7 to 10 outs and there is huge folding equity (hu blind fight), DERB does it when there's a bet, A CALL, then him. Folding equity maybe, higher level thinking maybe. But seems doubtful.
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