PLO8, my latest heart attack

[emptyshell]

Please berate me so that I never try this again.

$600 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
UTG+1 ( $271.15 ), MP1 ( $594 ), MP2 ( $1432.50 ),
CO ( $80.70 ), BUT ( $218.90 ), OUT ( $674.80 ),
Hero ( $996.20 ), BB ( $672.15 ), UTG ( $312.05 )

Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero posts $3.
BB posts $6.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BUT calls $6, Hero calls $3,
BB raises $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $18

<font color="blue">Flop</font>: (51.30) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, BB bets $40, Hero raises $171.30,
BB raises $525.20, Hero raises $787.80,
BB is all-In $82.95

<font color="blue">Turn</font>: (1658.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]


<font color="blue">River</font>: (1658.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]


Results in white below:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero shows 2d, Qc, 4d, Ad two pairs, queens and fours.
Hero shows 6,4,3,2,A for low.
BB shows Th, Ks, Kh, 2c three of a kind, kings.

Hero wins $155.48 from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and fours.
Hero wins Lo ($155.47) from side pot #1 with 6,4,3,2,A.
BB wins $673.65 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.
Hero wins Lo ($673.65) from the main pot with 6,4,3,2,A.

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[binions]

[ QUOTE ]
Please berate me so that I never try this again.

$600 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
UTG+1 ( $271.15 ), MP1 ( $594 ), MP2 ( $1432.50 ),
CO ( $80.70 ), BUT ( $218.90 ), OUT ( $674.80 ),
Hero ( $996.20 ), BB ( $672.15 ), UTG ( $312.05 )

Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero posts $3.
BB posts $6.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BUT calls $6, Hero calls $3,
BB raises $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $18

<font color="blue">Flop</font>: (51.30) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, BB bets $40, Hero raises $171.30,
BB raises $525.20, Hero raises $787.80,
BB is all-In $82.95

<font color="blue">Turn</font>: (1658.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]


<font color="blue">River</font>: (1658.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]


Results in white below:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero shows 2d, Qc, 4d, Ad two pairs, queens and fours.
Hero shows 6,4,3,2,A for low.
BB shows Th, Ks, Kh, 2c three of a kind, kings.

Hero wins $155.48 from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and fours.
Hero wins Lo ($155.47) from side pot #1 with 6,4,3,2,A.
BB wins $673.65 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.
Hero wins Lo ($673.65) from the main pot with 6,4,3,2,A.

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I'm fairly new to PLO8, but in PLO with a fairly deep stack, I never go to war and get it all in on the flop with bottom 2 pair. Yes, you have a backdoor low draw, but its counterfietable, only hits about 20% of the time, and only wins half or a quarter of the pot. It amounts to about 10% pot equity at most. So, if you are behind on high, it's not enough to turn a fold into a call or a call into a raise.

In hindsight, it seems that your best chance to scoop this pot would have been to call the flop and turn, and bet the pot on the river once the low and possible straight hit. Now he no longer has the nuts, can only win half the pot by calling a pot sized bet, and will get scooped with any straight.

Badger's advice about having money left to bet a scare card on the river seems to apply here.

[Wintermute]

Drunken NLHE:

[gergery]

40 buyins? That's a LOT of alcohol.

[DougShrapnel]

This is what the .01-.02 tables are for.

[Wintermute]

[ QUOTE ]
40 buyins? That's a LOT of alcohol.

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$5 cover + $1 drinks @ the mad river pub = one drunk wintermute.

Good thing I fired up a couple $2k PLO8 tables and ended up 2k in the black for that drunken session though

Look for a repeat performance tonight, I'll post a trip report tomorrow if it goes down

[AnyAce]

For someone who knows so much about PLO8 it appears that that knowledge is not transferable to NLHE (particularly after being distilled.)

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