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07-25-2005, 06:07 PM
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NLTHE with the jokers
A friend of mine recently suggested we try playing one session of our weekly home game with the jokers in, just for kicks. I think it'd at least be interesting, but I can't quite get my head around the full scope of strategic and probability changes it would entail.
If you were in this game, how would you adjust your play? 
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07-25-2005, 06:20 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
Just thinking out loud here...
-You'd always have top pair -any hole hand of XJoker would be suited -any hole hand of XJoker would be connectors -any hole hand of XJoker would be a PP -any hole hand of XJoker would be 1/2/3/4 gappers -any hole hand of JokerJoker would always win or split (any math guys wanna try the percentages or win/split for JokerJoker?) ...well I'd start praying for Jokers instead of Aces for one.
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#4
07-25-2005, 11:58 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
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Just thinking out loud here... -You'd always have top pair -any hole hand of XJoker would be suited -any hole hand of XJoker would be connectors -any hole hand of XJoker would be a PP -any hole hand of XJoker would be 1/2/3/4 gappers -any hole hand of JokerJoker would always win or split (any math guys wanna try the percentages or win/split for JokerJoker?) ...well I'd start praying for Jokers instead of Aces for one. [/ QUOTE ] Man, can you imagine the power of pocket jokers?
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#5
07-27-2005, 07:33 AM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
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Man, can you imagine the power of pocket jokers? [/ QUOTE ] I AM ALL POWERFUL!!! Just ask my old lady after I give her the dutch oven treatment. /end useless post
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#6
07-25-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
You should fold any hand preflop that's not a pocket pair or Joker/x. My guess is that sets are still going to be pretty tough to beat, but any other hand is in terrible shape vs Joker/x. Any joker is a reraising hand preflop.
Similarly, you should put in pretty much infinite raises on any flop with a joker (since you have ridiculous odds to improve even if you're behind), and should proceed to call to the river with joker/x if you're playing limit, no matter what the board is. Let's not even talk about a joker on the board. Full house or better to bet the river. For a small stakes limit game, it might be interesting. For NL, this would be insane. What does a joker-high flush count as?
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#7
07-25-2005, 08:29 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
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For a small stakes limit game, it might be interesting. For NL, this would be insane. [/ QUOTE ] I think the idea was to play No Limit, but the more I think about it and the more you all theorize, the more I agree: that'd be f*ckin' madness. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What does a joker-high flush count as? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know... would a joker-high flush split with the natural A-high nuts?
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#8
07-27-2005, 11:37 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
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You should fold any hand preflop that's not a pocket pair or Joker/x. My guess is that sets are still going to be pretty tough to beat, but any other hand is in terrible shape vs Joker/x. Any joker is a reraising hand preflop. Similarly, you should put in pretty much infinite raises on any flop with a joker (since you have ridiculous odds to improve even if you're behind), and should proceed to call to the river with joker/x if you're playing limit, no matter what the board is. [/ QUOTE ] If played with two jokers, is this necessarily the case?
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#9
07-25-2005, 09:55 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
Well, you just have to find out really quickly in a hand if there are jokers involved and who has them.
Then take a good look and see how many cards a player needs to make a good hand with a certain community. If it's only one and you think your friend has a joker, it's folding time. Me and my friends played like this before, dealer's choice wild cards. Sometimes deuces, sometimes black maria and the suicide king (my pick) and sometimes the one eyed jacks.
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#10
07-25-2005, 11:23 PM
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Re: NLTHE with the jokers
If you need to go all-in at any point I would only do it with at least one joker. I remember my friend once suggested it after my tight image had them joking that I only play aces or better.
I remeber dealing through a lot of boards with different hands verses a joker-rag hand and the joker kicked all hands like no other. I mean any time the board pairs, four flush, baby straight, ect. There are some exceptions but the joker has mighty power.
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