board double-pairs.. then gets scarry

riffraff · #1 03-26-2005, 02:01 AM

no stats on villian.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero ???

detruncate · #2 03-26-2005, 02:22 AM

Folds. He liked his hand enough to call 2 streets, and one of your best hopes (Ax) just went up in flames. Your only real chance is that he's playing the board. 6:1 isn't enough here when any piece beats you.

riffraff · #3 03-26-2005, 05:45 AM

I guess I've had too many people taking shots at me for some reason or another.. because I make thin calls and they are more often than not bluffing. My first thought was to call since the bet came out of nowhere and didn't make a lot of sense if they were full (why not raise the turn?). Anyone else have a line against a stranger in this spot?

aK13 · #4 03-26-2005, 06:24 AM

I'm new here, so I probably don't know much about what I'm talking about but I'll try to take a shot at it.

In this situation, you'd be getting 6 to 1. Based on pot equity (I think?), you'd need to win this hand over 1/6 times to be profitable (about 16%).

With no read though, this decision is hard, since pretty much the only hand you have beat is a bluff, so I think the decision comes down to determining whether you're 85% or more certain that he's got an Ace (or possibly 23...) I would probably call, if nothing else, to convince myself that my read was right.

@bsolute_luck · #5 03-26-2005, 08:37 AM

with no read and no one behind you, i'd call. at least then you get a read and no one is going to raise you.

yeah, you're probably beat, but at least you can take a note.

Aaron W. · #6 03-26-2005, 12:46 PM

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no stats on villian.

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Try to get reads. Stats are less helpful.

riffraff · #7 03-26-2005, 04:19 PM

Well could do neither with him only at the table for less than an orbit. I called and he turned over K7o. MHIG. Found out soon enuf that he was like this more often than not when contesting a pot. Might be results oriented thinking but looking up a random party micro-limit guy for 6-1 when he has shown zero aggression the entire hand can't be off by that much.