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10-21-2005, 09:37 AM
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2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
Foxwoods 2-5 NL effective stacks 500
Hero is in the BB delt J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]j [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero's image is rockish as my normal TAGISH self 6 limpers and SB completes Hero makes it 55 to go. UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands) Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Pot 190) Hero bets 125$ BB hesitantly Calls MP Calls rather quickly My thoughts is to push on a non threatinging turn Turn is a 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot $565) Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks Now whats my plan on the river if a 4 diamond falls? Can I call a bet? If so how big? If an over card falls what my plan? If a blank falls can I bet the river? So many possibilities. And I cant put these donks on a hand range.... I assume at least one of them made there flush is that a bad assumption? I also would like feedback on my PF and Flop play. I feel as if I under bet the flop and I wasnt sure about checking the turn. Thanks is advance.... 
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#2
10-21-2005, 10:45 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
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UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands) [/ QUOTE ] Seems like you should be able to check/fold a non jack, non 5 river.
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10-21-2005, 10:49 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
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[ QUOTE ] UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands) [/ QUOTE ] Seems like you should be able to check/fold a non jack, non 5 river. [/ QUOTE ] No way. Your hand is good more than 50% here.
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10-21-2005, 10:52 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
I think id call any bet of 100 or less on the river. Especially if a diamond hit..... i'd be getting 6-1 at that point and have no reads at all....
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#5
10-21-2005, 10:55 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands) [/ QUOTE ] Seems like you should be able to check/fold a non jack, non 5 river. [/ QUOTE ] No way. Your hand is good more than 50% here. [/ QUOTE ] the point was, if they're both calling donks, what are they going to raise here on the river?
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#6
10-21-2005, 11:24 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
i would check the river, and see where the action is.
there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call. if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy. but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed.
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#7
10-21-2005, 11:36 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
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i would check the river, and see where the action is. there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call. if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy. but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed. [/ QUOTE ] There is more than 550+ in the pot I aggree id call up to 150ish probably less. The 5 pairing helped me a bit as any two pair is now no good. I think its close like 60-40 my hand being good And i say my hand is at 40%......
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#8
10-21-2005, 11:50 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
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[ QUOTE ] i would check the river, and see where the action is. there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call. if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy. but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed. [/ QUOTE ] There is more than 550+ in the pot I aggree id call up to 150ish probably less. The 5 pairing helped me a bit as any two pair is now no good. I think its close like 60-40 my hand being good And i say my hand is at 40%...... [/ QUOTE ] two pair? like 9-2? i don't think that's likely. i think that card hurt you because there's a fairly good chance someone made a flush. what ended up happening on the river? the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] fell and you took the pot away from an 8 high turned flush?
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#9
10-21-2005, 11:51 AM
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Re: 2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i would check the river, and see where the action is. there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig. if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call. if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy. but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed. [/ QUOTE ] There is more than 550+ in the pot I aggree id call up to 150ish probably less. The 5 pairing helped me a bit as any two pair is now no good. I think its close like 60-40 my hand being good And i say my hand is at 40%...... [/ QUOTE ] two pair? like 9-2? i don't think that's likely. i think that card hurt you because there's a fairly good chance someone made a flush. what ended up happening on the river? the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] fell and you took the pot away from an 8 high turned flush? [/ QUOTE ] The MP would call with just any two so i would put two pair by him.
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