Suited connectors preflop

[raptor517]

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ill never play a hand before lvl 3 in the 10s that is not AK, QQ, KK or AA. its just a waste of time. play more tables. holla

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That may allow for positive ROI, but it's definitely not optimal.

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i guarantee doing this i can do 15% roi or higher in the 22s. there is ZERO doubt in my mind. for a lot of people that post on here, they play so bad post flop it probably is optimal, but that wasnt what i said. holla

Also, if you're never playing PPs preflop in early 11s, I assume you also don't pick 20s up off the street.

[raptor517]

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why not just open raise with them and get it heads up or 3 handed and outplay the opponents? ehot? holla

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You can't do that on a consistent basis...I think that's the point. But, yeah, thats good sometimes.

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yes, you can do it on a consistent basis. holla

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You CAN do it on a consistent basis, but I am not sure how often you will be able to outplay your opponents to make it +EV. What we are talking about is very context specific so you might be right.

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you can outplay the 109 opponents all day long doing this cuz they all play the exact same way. holla

[raptor517]

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Also, if you're never playing PPs preflop in early 11s, I assume you also don't pick 20s up off the street.

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its not worth my time to play any other hands in lvls 1-3. its worth my time to add push clicks and constantly add tables. playing those hands will increase my roi by maybe 2-3%. maybe. its a much better use of my time to add 4 more tables and reap the extra 15% on each table i get from that. that was my point.. holla

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Also, if you're never playing PPs preflop in early 11s, I assume you also don't pick 20s up off the street.

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its not worth my time to play any other hands in lvls 1-3. its worth my time to add push clicks and constantly add tables. playing those hands will increase my roi by maybe 2-3%. maybe. its a much better use of my time to add 4 more tables and reap the extra 15% on each table i get from that. that was my point.. holla

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Lol. You're a sick man. holla

[Freudian]

Me likes suited connectors. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t800)
Hero (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t72.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t55</font>, BB calls t55, MP2 calls t55, MP3 calls t55, CO folds.

Turn: (t292.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t125</font>, MP2 calls t125, MP3 calls t125, Hero calls t125.

River: (t792.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero bets 200, MP2 raises 200, MP3 is all-in, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: t2610

Results:
Hero has 6d 7d (straight flush, eight high).
BB doesn't show.
MP2 has 3d Kd (flush, king high).
MP3 has 9d Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins t2610.

I think you can do the math the same way you would do it with a small PP. With a PP you need the pot to be laying you about 8:1 to call the raise. If you assume that you need to flop two pair, a flush draw or a straight draw to continue with the hand, you can determine how frequently each of those events will occur.

This might be a good question for the probability forum.

A separate question that the OP mentioned is what constitutes a successful flop. I don't like to play for flush draws too much with smaller SCs because it is too easy to be drawing to a dead hand. Others probably feel differently.

In my estimation I need two pair or a SFD to feel good about the hand in most instances. What do others think?

[Nicholasp27]

probability of improving to:


4-flush: 8.1-1
flush: 118-1
straight: 76-1



flush draw OR oes draw: 4.2-1
flush draw AND oes draw: 82-1
some sorta flush or straight draw: 1.8-1


your odds with 9ts vs 22: 52.93%

[bones]

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your odds with 9ts vs 22: 52.93%

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QUIT IT!

[pooh74]

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why not just open raise with them and get it heads up or 3 handed and outplay the opponents? ehot? holla

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You can't do that on a consistent basis...I think that's the point. But, yeah, thats good sometimes.

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yes, you can do it on a consistent basis. holla

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You CAN do it on a consistent basis, but I am not sure how often you will be able to outplay your opponents to make it +EV. What we are talking about is very context specific so you might be right.

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you can outplay the 109 opponents all day long doing this cuz they all play the exact same way. holla

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Ok, i dont know...but where I play, there is usually so much action at levels 1-4 it mostly isnt worth it.