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08-08-2005, 02:13 PM
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$5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
If this belongs in small stakes let me know.
Great 5/5 game at Fallsview casino. Very loose. Just stacked a guy with J8 (he had QQ). Flop 842, I bet pot, he calls. Turn 8, I check, he puts me all in. No raise preflop. He then complained about how bad I was. I have $432, everyone has me covered. 2 players limp before me, I'm in MP with 10-10. I limp. 1 limper after me, and both blinds check. Flop ($30) comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. One blind leads for $10, two callers, I raise to $50 all day, 3 callers. Turn $(230) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Checked to me, I push. 
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#2
08-08-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: $5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
I really don't like this at all.
Once THREE people call you in a live game like this, there's a pretty good chance at least one of them has you beat - and there are a lot of hands that could be beating you right now. Ryan
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#3
08-08-2005, 02:23 PM
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Re: $5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
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If this belongs in small stakes let me know. Great 5/5 game at Fallsview casino. Very loose. Just stacked a guy with J8 (he had QQ). Flop 842, I bet pot, he calls. Turn 8, I check, he puts me all in. No raise preflop. He then complained about how bad I was. I have $432, everyone has me covered. 2 players limp before me, I'm in MP with 10-10. I limp. 1 limper after me, and both blinds check. Flop ($30) comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. One blind leads for $10, two callers, I raise to $50 all day, 3 callers. Turn $(230) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Checked to me, I push. [/ QUOTE ] Push is too much; if you had $250, or slightly more than the pot, it would be fine. Now, you will very likely only be called by hands that beat yours (maybe 99/88.) No preflop raise?
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08-08-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: $5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
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[ QUOTE ] No raise preflop. He then complained about how bad I was. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 2 players limp before me, I'm in MP with 10-10. I limp. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I suppose this is some "funny" way to imply this limp is bad? I limp medium pairs like 10's all the time in NL. In certain conditions I raise them as well, but if you think they are an obvious raise behind two EP limpers, well then, please, explain your reasoning.
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#8
08-08-2005, 04:20 PM
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Re: $5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
If you look perhaps a week ago, ML4L and post oak (I believe) got into a psuedo discussion re: limping 10/10.
Rather then repost what was said, look it up, it will probably convince you otherwise. one caveat is that the limp vs raise was for a deeper stacked game, (it seems your game was 100 BBs, that hand was from foxwoods with enourmous stacks) but most of the arguments still stand.
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#9
08-08-2005, 04:24 PM
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Re: $5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
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I suppose this is some "funny" way to imply this limp is bad? I limp medium pairs like 10's all the time in NL. In certain conditions I raise them as well, but if you think they are an obvious raise behind two EP limpers, well then, please, explain your reasoning. [/ QUOTE ] So the limpers might fold 45s, the bb folds his 63offsuit and you don't go broke? And truthfully you can limp 1010 behind 2 limpers as long as you are very good postflop.
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#10
08-08-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: $5/$5 $500 Max 10/10 hand
I think this thread highlights why some of the advice on this forum is not so good. You need to be able to adapt your game to best fit the current game conditions. Your strategy should change based upon the conditions of the game you are currently playing. This is of course very basic advice, but many posters have robotic responses which they use in any and all situations.
The game described sounds like a low stakes game with many unskilled, loose players. First of all, the OP just doubled up and now has 86BB. Is the buy in capped at 50BB or something? The OP has described the game as "very loose". 6 people saw the flop on this hand. There is a bet and a raise and 4 people are still seeing the turn. Do you think they all have monster draws or made hands? In this game, you should limp with TT preflop most of the time. You should especially limp with TT when early position players have already limped. They are not likely to fold to a 6X the BB raise. Has anyone here every played at a low limit NL table, or did you all start as rigid bots who only play deep stacked NL against good players? Just to note, BobboFritos is giving an incorrect description of the game conditions in the thread where we discussed whether to limp or raise most of the time with TT in a specific game situation. You can read that thread if you want more info.
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