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Old 10-20-2005, 10:56 PM
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Default 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

I dont know the exact chip amounts but remember the hand as clear as day. 9 players (am gonna mention the relevent ones).

SB Hero ($888) Dealt 22

MP1 ($450ish)

CO Villain #1 ($350ish)

Button Villain #2 ($420ish)

MP1 raises to $16, Co calls Button calls and I call Preflop.

Flop

8 3 2 RAINBOW

Orignal Raiser MP1 bets $40

CO (Villain #1) raises to $90

Buttton (Villain #2) smooth calls

HERO ?????????????????????????????

How many are gonna muck the 222 here???? Keep in mind this is 2-4 not 5-10, I have seen a lotta BS here like Villain #1 pulling out 99 or maybe Button having 45, but I dont know these players , never seen them , and have no reads. Only know MP1, who was the preflop raiser, and is reasonably solid (I think he is mucking after this action anyways)
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Old 10-20-2005, 11:13 PM
SirFelixCat SirFelixCat is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

There are only two hands that you are behind and I think it is safe to assume that MP1 doesn't have either of them, likely an overpair or AK. There are two other players in the hand CO and Button. I don't think that the CO would fast play a set like that, as it is a non-threatening board. So this leaves us with the button, who very well could have a bigger set, 2 pair, OESD, or others. Even if one of them hits their straight, you still have 10 outs to improve.

I don't see anyway you're laying this down. If it's set over set, c'est la vie. If it's me, the pot is $284. I pop it to the tune of a pot-sized raise and give all draws the wrong odds and put the screws to any 2 pair holdings.
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Old 10-20-2005, 11:18 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

I higly doubt anyone has two pair.
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Old 10-20-2005, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

barring a read to the contrary i fold here, and i rarely fold sets...hell i just posted a hand where i call 4x pot with tp4k...but i think u could find a fold here.
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Old 10-21-2005, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

I push and love every second of it.
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Old 10-21-2005, 01:20 AM
ahnuld ahnuld is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

Raise or fold. Is raising to 200 and folding to a push just gross? This seems like an okay time to do it since nobody would be dumb enough to do it without having 222 beat.
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Old 10-21-2005, 03:46 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

I think folding the 2s should be strongly considered, though it's tough to do.

That raise is no joke at these stakes and with relation to the pot, and the call after it ESPECIALLY ... nobody with a draw should be making that smooth call, having an original raiser/flop bettor +1 more player to act behind him. I think it's reasonable to fold the 2s here.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

This can depend on dynamics between CO and pfr - if PFR is likely to have BS here, CO might make this play with an overpair to the board "to shut out overcards".

Button concerns me, though. What's his range after a raise and cold-call? Does he play looser with position? He could easily have a wheel draw here, and if he's that loose he could just as easily have A8 hoping to hit. Though the 2/4 stars game is virtually void of these fun types.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:28 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

also.. i hate to sound arrogant but this belongs here

Just cause you play the 5/10+ doesn't mean all your posts go to MH
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Old 10-21-2005, 05:00 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ???

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How many are gonna muck the 222 here????

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Not a one I hope.

On to the hand; bet the pot.
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