Help creating folding equity with 200BBs

jonnyUCB · #1 09-12-2005, 05:30 PM

BB is TAG. 22/7/1.75 AF over 600 hands. Not very tricky, though his preflop standards are a bit wider.

Button is a bit looser. Over 250 hands, he's 46/21. Postflop his aggression lightens up - not one to make big bets with no hand, but capable of bluffing. Loves the min-raise preflop to take it down postflop with a small bet.

Preflop ranges: min-re-raise from the button probably means a playable hand. He might be trying to set up a postflop steal from me here, but it seems unlikely since I've raised UTG. I have been playing tight and shown no bluffs. Probably a big pair or AQ+ (suited or not).

Cold call by BB threw me off. He probably would not enter the pot without JJ+, AK.. but with deep stacks perhaps his range would be wider. I think he would reraise with aces or kings here because I get a cheap price to outdraw him.

Not sure what line to take postflop - looking for suggestions.

My bets have been getting respect but I can't find a good way to get all the money in once the BB leads. He has at least an overpair here, though I would think he would reraise preflop with kings or aces, so a set is not out of the question.

Is raising the flop out of the question? With 100BBs it would be a fairly easy push but still the overbet looks like a draw more than a hand to me. Should I be happy to get my entire stack in the middle, if all three of us get the money in? Should I call a push from either, if it gets to be HU?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) converter

Hero ($777.90)
MP ($1307.80)
CO ($397.70)
Button ($910.60)
SB ($156.15)
BB ($728.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, Button raises to $24, 1 fold, BB calls $20, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($74) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $52, Hero ?

jonnyUCB · #2 09-12-2005, 05:36 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) converter

Hero ($777.90)
MP ($1307.80)
CO ($397.70)
Button ($910.60)
SB ($156.15)
BB ($728.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, Button raises to $24, 1 fold, BB calls $20, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($74) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $52, Hero calls $52, Button raises to $176, BB raises to $704.9, Hero raises to $753.9, Button folds.

Turn: ($1708.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($1708.80) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $1708.80

Results in white below: 
BB has Ks Kh (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has 9d 8d (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins $1708.80.

TheWorstPlayer · #3 09-12-2005, 05:41 PM

I like call/3-bet.

Edit: Just read the way it went down. Perfect, IMO. You don't shut out the dude who is likely to do the raising for you and you get tons of dead money in the pot. You also get all the money in on the flop when you are ahead. Exactly how I play it.

djoyce003 · #4 09-12-2005, 05:45 PM

you can't create fold equity when someone is already all in.

I would have straight raised his opening bet...either way you should be happy getting your money in here...didn't work out but that doesn't mean you played it wrong.

gol4pro · #5 09-12-2005, 06:15 PM

If I'm not mistaken you're about 60/40 on that flop. Nice hand.

jonnyUCB · #6 09-12-2005, 06:18 PM

I would raise here with a set (neither of my opponents would know that) but wanted to play it like a donk-ish slowplayed one. I actually flat-called in the hand because I had a feeling BB had a hand he was going to move in with (probably a set, imo)... not because I intended to push all the chips in over the top of button's raise (he had QQ btw, so apparently I did create some fold equity when I pushed since he figured one of us had him beat... though he might have called BB's push)

I would have been happy with taking a card off against what is likely a coin-flip. I think I got lucky I was only against an overpair in the actual hand (i was better than a coinflip).

Do you think BB's hand range is wide enough to warrant a flop raise?