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06-15-2004, 11:27 AM
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Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
Yesterday at the casino I sat at a loose 5/10 table where anywhere between 4-6 of the 10 players chased flushes and straights every hand. When I say chase I mean stay in with any raise with ANY suited cards and follow them as long as atleast one hits on the flop. I found myself losing many top pair hands, I only play very select hands, to these flushes and straights. My question is, in this type of limited hold em what is the best way to combat these unique types of maniacs?
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06-15-2004, 11:48 AM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
My question is, in this type of limited hold em what is the best way to combat these unique types of maniacs?
Jam the flop and turn with top pair on uncoordinated boards. Value bet the river often and sit in that seat as long as you can keep your eyes open. Great table selection. Welcome to the forum, Joe Tall
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06-15-2004, 11:48 AM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
I am an admitted newbie to poker but this made me curious enough to reply... I agree to try and let the odds catch up to the chasers, because eventually they should. However should you check-raise these chasers early on? If you check and they haven't made their hand won't you just give them free cards? Not to mention a smaller pot when they miss their hand and your top pair stands up? Just thoughts...
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06-15-2004, 01:31 PM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
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I am an admitted newbie to poker but this made me curious enough to reply... I agree to try and let the odds catch up to the chasers, because eventually they should. However should you check-raise these chasers early on? If you check and they haven't made their hand won't you just give them free cards? Not to mention a smaller pot when they miss their hand and your top pair stands up? Just thoughts... [/ QUOTE ] 4-6 players, if someone hit a piece of the flop, or flopped a flush draw, then a check raise should work if you are first or second to act. If the game is incredibly passive then maybe not, but I like your chances here that somebody will semi-bluff or bet middle/low pair. If you just bet out, you may give them odds to chase, so try and trap aggressive drawers for 2 bets and push out passive ones who won't call 2 cold.
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06-15-2004, 02:51 PM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
These "maniacs" are the kind of players that you make a profit off of, and that kind of a game is a dream come true for most skilled players. The bad thing about this situation is that often times you won't be the favorite to win the pots that you are involved in. If you've got one player drawing to a flopped flush draw, another drawing to a backdoor flush draw, another drawing to the open ender on the flop, and one drawing to the gutshot...you arn't going to win the majority of these pots. You stand to gain, however because of the number of bets you win when your hand does hold up. My suggestion is to ram the flop, and especially the turn for as many bets as possible. Also, if the game is passive, especially pre flop, start playing a few more hands with nut potential. If the pots are always multiway for 1 bet preflop, there is nothing wrong with playing more hands right along with your opposition, as you will play them better after you hit, and better still after you miss.
lil feller
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#8
06-20-2004, 05:09 AM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
It is best to use the check raise when you can trap them. If you know an agressive player to your direct left will bet, you can effectively check raise these people to no end. They view the $$ they put in on the initial call as an amount that is "theirs" and "needs to be defended". Use this to your advantage. While you may not make money off the guy who wins every now and again, you are likely still winning money on the balance of the chasers....the odd winner now and then is just taking a piece.
On a side note, I find that what usually catches me off guard with these hands are the hands that the chasers may make that are outside the flush or straight draw that I am not thinking about. A good example is a flop like 8TQ where somone may chase with a hand like 9T. If you get too caught up in dodging the Jack they are looking for, you may forget to consider the T that hits the river. King
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#9
07-03-2004, 05:10 AM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
That sort of thing gets me too. I know I'm at the wrong table when I keep wondering 'what the hell are these people calling with?' A good litmus hand for a bad table is when you have AKs and the flop comes up KK2 (or 3). If more than one person calls or rasies you (a raise makes me laugh) straight to the river, hope that they won't muck their cards. On some extremely loose tables I've seen 36o come up at a showdown for no reason whatsoever.
The 'show cards even though I've lost horribly' button in most online cardrooms is a neverending source of amusement.
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#10
07-03-2004, 10:17 AM
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Re: Combating flush and straight chasers in Limit Hold Em
There isn't really any magic formula for beating this type of game. If you play tight and agressive, in the long run you will beat this type of game. Your top pair and overpair hands will get run down frequently, but they will win big pots when they do hold up. If the preflop play is passive, you can increase your winnings by chasing yourself, but chasing more intelligently than your opponents. Limp in with mid and small pocket pairs, suited connectors and suited aces in any postion. Usually dump the pocket pairs if they don't flop the set, and the suited connectors if they don't flop at least a 4 flush or OESD. Value bet and raise your good draws.
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