When something doesn't "feel" quite right

[Aaron W.]

I ran into this hand today, and I'm not sure how else I can describe the hand. My note on villain is "FPS". He has had all sorts of wacky plays with both his good and his bad hands. Bluff bets/raises, slowplaying big things until the river, limping AA, betting his middle pair (Q4o paired his 4) when an ace fell...

When he bet the flop, I felt there was a decent chance I was ahead. He might have a 3 or some other pocket pair or he might even be trying to pick up the pot. I don't think he has a king because he would have waited until the turn or gone for a check-raise. I chose to raise because I felt I could drive out the rest of the field who might have draws against my 66. Also, if cold-called, I'm almost certainly up against a better hand because the villains behind me weren't loose enough to call two bets on this board with nothing.

When he 3-bet the flop, I was actually more convinced that he had nothing. Why didn't he smooth-call and check-raise the turn if he had a real hand?

Once the rest of the field was gone and I was convinced I was ahead, it became WA/WB.

I'm a bit frustrated because I can't really quantify anything here in a reasonable way. It was one of those rare times where everything was just "feel". The flop 3-bet just "felt" strange. Am I crazy? Should I have just dumped it on the first flop bet?

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (4 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

[benkath1]

With your detailed read I would say NH. Against an unknown I would dump it after the 3 bet.

Wouldn't you want to raise preflop 4 handed with a pocket pair?

[Aaron W.]

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With your detailed read I would say NH. Against an unknown I would dump it after the 3 bet.

Wouldn't you want to raise preflop 4 handed with a pocket pair?

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66 is a little low for a value preflop raise. I'd raise 99 and probably 88.

I also wasn't playing particularly well postflop against this table. The cards were a bit dry, I had been pushing a couple poorly chosen edges, ran into a couple monsters... So I was trying to slow myself down a little bit and get back into a decent rhythm. That diversion is just to say that I felt like I needed to play with a larger postflop edge by keeping the pot small.

[VBM]

vs this type of opponent, i would never dump this to a flop bet/3-bet.

at the table, i think i'd pretty much group villain into one of 3 possibilites;
1. he has 3x. maybe something like 3A, so he feels like even if he's behind, if he spikes an A he's got a strong 2 pr.
2. he has Kx.
3. he limped a mid-high pair.

1. the only 3 that has you in really bad shape is 33.
2. seems unlikely to me for the reasons you stated.
3. is possible, esp. given your read, but high pairs don't grown on trees.

i think i cap this flop. if he leads or C/R a turn bet, i'm done.

the main reason being, i don't want a 3-(big card) hand getting a chance to to improve over me, and he may believe you'd play a K this aggressively.

[Aaron W.]

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vs this type of opponent, i would never dump this to a flop bet/3-bet.

at the table, i think i'd pretty much group villain into one of 3 possibilites;
1. he has 3x. maybe something like 3A, so he feels like even if he's behind, if he spikes an A he's got a strong 2 pr.
2. he has Kx.
3. he limped a mid-high pair.

1. the only 3 that has you in really bad shape is 33.
2. seems unlikely to me for the reasons you stated.
3. is possible, esp. given your read, but high pairs don't grown on trees.

i think i cap this flop. if he leads or C/R a turn bet, i'm done.

the main reason being, i don't want a 3-(big card) hand getting a chance to to improve over me, and he may believe you'd play a K this aggressively.

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I don't think I buy that last bit. Is a player this willing to throw bets into the pot really going fold his two pair here?

[VBM]

KK33 isn't that great a hand and a cap followed by a turn bet, he probably should lose some confidence in that hand. UI on the turn and possibly against your (imagined) set of K's, i think its feasible.

the drawback of this line would be you dont' want to force something like 88 into a calldown.

[SCfuji]

call call call has my vote

[Aaron W.]

After thinking about this hand for a while, I was tyring to remember the last time I was in a situation like this. A hand came to mind that I posted a long long time ago...That hand is here.

Go visit the archives. I've forgotten how much content is hidden back there.

[Aaron W.]

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call call call has my vote

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Does that include facing the first bet?

[rivered_again]

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My note on villain is "FPS".

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What does FPS mean?