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Old 07-14-2005, 12:34 PM
sexypanda sexypanda is offline
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Default Re: When something doesn\'t \"feel\" quite right

I wasn't advocating the turn raise instead of the flop raise. I think the flop was played fine, and since his read on the SB was that he could be making this move with a variety of holdings, and also since it's heads up, I think raising the turn and checking the river costs the same and gives you a little more fold equity.
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Old 07-14-2005, 12:42 PM
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Ahhhhhhh.

Hmmm.

Wow. That is a play that definitely takes some stones. I think I like it, though. Thanks for your input.
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Old 07-14-2005, 12:44 PM
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Yea, I'm a LAG
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:10 PM
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I like the flop action.
I would strongly consider raising the turn against this guy.
In fact, I'd raise the turn vs. a lot of 1/2 villians. The only difference being I would not fold to a 3-bet here.

Aaron - I don't know how long you've played these 1/2 5-max games, but you're not going to see trips get fastplayed that often. Much less against this guy, folding is never even a consideration.
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:35 PM
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I like the flop action.
I would strongly consider raising the turn against this guy.
In fact, I'd raise the turn vs. a lot of 1/2 villians. The only difference being I would not fold to a 3-bet here.

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What would read villain to be on that would 3-bet here and lose to 66? A3 is barely possible in my mind, which leaves other pocket pairs. And I would be too afraid of running into something like 99 in this spot.

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Aaron - I don't know how long you've played these 1/2 5-max games, but you're not going to see trips get fastplayed that often. Much less against this guy, folding is never even a consideration.

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I think I've played my way up to about 1000 hands. I'm guessing this is basically nothing for short-handed because the hands fly through so fast and the long run is really the LLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGG GGGGGGGG run. However, being on the happy end of the variance stick and beating the game at 10+ BB/100 is a fun illusion that I'm going to enjoy until I hit that first downswing.
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:55 PM
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I think you can safely fold to a 3bet against all but the most bluff happy villains if you raise the turn. Calling the flop 3bet and then raising the turn looks an awful lot like a K to most players. You might scare some better hands into folding, and any hand that doesn't beat trip K's is going to have an extremely hard time 3betting you here.

This raise is a bluff stopper. If he still comes over the top, you have to think he has the goods.
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Old 07-14-2005, 02:04 PM
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OK if he's not a total maniac, yur probably right calling down is best because I don't want to either call or fold to a 3-bet. I'm not thrilled about letting him draw at a 6-outer but it appears to be the least ugly option.

This line that Panda mentioned though is a terrific play against more typical villians that I use regularly and feel is vastly underused on this forum. It may be slightly overused over in SS.
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Old 07-14-2005, 02:12 PM
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Taking my line, I'd definitely fold to a turn 3-bet. If someone's willing to 3-bet the flop and turn with a worse holding that 66, good for him. I'll take his money later. But if he's a reasonable player, I think the turn raise has a chance of getting him to fold a pocket pair higher than yours.
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:05 PM
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I think you can safely fold to a 3bet against all but the most bluff happy villains if you raise the turn. Calling the flop 3bet and then raising the turn looks an awful lot like a K to most players. You might scare some better hands into folding, and any hand that doesn't beat trip K's is going to have an extremely hard time 3betting you here.

This raise is a bluff stopper. If he still comes over the top, you have to think he has the goods.

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Do I really want to shut down his bluffing? The FPS read suggests that he might be bluffing too much already, so that I should encourage him to continue his bluffing by playing it weak.
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: When something doesn\'t \"feel\" quite right

hey aw. sorry for not even recognizing the other players in the pot. i like the raise if thats how you would play a K since thats what you are representing to the other players. if you *usually pop the turn then id be more inclined to do that no matter what card/overcard comes down on the turn.
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