KJo 4-handed

callydrias · #1 12-08-2005, 04:46 AM

I've only been at the table for 3 orbits or so. Button just sat down, so no reads on him. BB has been extremely laggy when challenged, otherwise fairly passive and playing junk hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (8.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero ???.

Final Pot: 10.66 BB

I hate this spot on the river. Call, raise, or fold?

kapw7 · #2 12-08-2005, 05:00 AM

How is a river raise an option?
Other than that you cannot fold this against an unknown.

callydrias · #3 12-08-2005, 05:11 AM

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How is a river raise an option?

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I am presented with 3 buttons, labeled as stated above.

Transference · #4 12-08-2005, 05:47 AM

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Other than that you cannot fold this against an unknown.

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On this board given the way we played it I think a river fold is fine but reasonably close given the size of the pot and the unknown villian. A turn raise is just really bad news for our hand UI IMO.

pokergrader · #5 12-08-2005, 08:05 AM

Standard fold. Unless you have a read that he could semi-bluff with the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], you are behind every single hand that plays like this. A8+,JT,KQ+, the only hand you could possible be beating is QxJ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], which is taken in your hand.

There is no way you are winning this 1/10 unless you have a read.

kapw7 · #6 12-08-2005, 08:50 AM

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I am presented with 3 buttons, labeled as stated above.

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No need to use sarcasm on ppl who do you a favour to respond to your post.
My question was what is the logic behind raising. Is it for making a better hand to fold or a worse hand to call or what?

Peter Harris · #7 12-08-2005, 08:57 AM

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No need to use sarcasm on ppl who do you a favour to respond to your post.

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To be fair pistol himself wasn't advocating a river raise, so the rhetorical challenge seems fair game to me - there is no logic behind raising on this board, but people may "forget" it's an option.

I think a river fold is okay, but it's a damn close call between folding and calling (EDIT: if you had a laggy read, i missed that button is unknown - in that case a fold is okay).

A raise on this river is unlikely to fold any better hand out because the river was a blanky blank which completed squat.

Pistol dude we know you called because the final pot is 2BB bigger than the river pot. Edit next time! keep us under suspense.

#8 12-08-2005, 09:28 AM

What happens if the river is a T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

With only 3 orbits and no read do you still check-call or bet?

Just trying to apply this example to a similar hand I played.

JimNashe · #9 12-08-2005, 09:35 AM

I'd raise/fold the river if another club fell and call after a T of non-clubs.

POKhER · #10 12-08-2005, 10:26 AM

if you call the turn, you're calling the river.