KK unimproved, facing a push and a call

[thatpfunk]

do you play in these games? i was against jt and kt.

who cares, let this thread die, it is retarded.

[4_2_it]

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do you play in these games? i was against jt and kt.

who cares, let this thread die, it is retarded.

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I've only got about 100K hands at NL$100 and NL$200 so maybe I need a little practice. You gambled and won. Good for you. Please consider that every player at NL$100 might not be a complete retard.

[thatpfunk]

practicing hand reading might be a good idea. you think someone with either 2 pair or a set smoothcalled this flop after a bet (possible) and then smoothcalled again after it had been raised by a maniac and called (not that likely). AND THEN after all that trickiness he open pushed the turn facing a nearly guaranteed bet w/ the great possibility of trapping the SB AFTER he filled up and is no longer worried about draws (completely absurd).

but you have 100k hands, sorry. ill just keep gambling.

[4_2_it]

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practicing hand reading might be a good idea. you think someone with either 2 pair or a set smoothcalled this flop after a bet (possible) and then smoothcalled again after it had been raised by a maniac and called (not that likely). AND THEN after all that trickiness he open pushed the turn facing a nearly guaranteed bet w/ the great possibility of trapping the SB AFTER he filled up and is no longer worried about draws (completely absurd).

but you have 100k hands, sorry. ill just keep gambling.

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CO was the pre-flop raiser, raised the flop then called a turn push from an idiot. How is it impossible to think he doesn't have KK beat most of the time????

Again, congratulations on the hand. Folding would have been a huge mistake. If you ask for comments and someone provides you with constructive criticism either say thanks or make a logical counter argument. Insults are childish.

[troymclur]

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do you play in these games? i was against jt and kt.

who cares, let this thread die, it is retarded.

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Just for future reference, if you want to let us in on why you made the unorthodox play (such as more comprehensive reads on the players and the table in general) then you probably wouldn't get so much attention on the PF play.

[pho75]

You created this mess when you failed to reraise before the flop. The fact that CO is 90/44 make not reraising to ~$25 a BIG mistake IMO.

I would fold on the turn. One of those guys has a full house.

[GrunchCan]

So did you post this hand becasue you wanted advice or feedback? If you're unwilling to acccept the possibility that "unorthodox" does not necesarrily mean "advanced but correct" and that you misplayed this hand, then why ask for feedback that you won't accept?

If you didn't post this becasue you wanted advice, then why didn't you put "no content" in the title?

[thatpfunk]

it was posted because i was chatting with someone and they said they would never make the turn call and i thought it was kind of automatic.

also, i shouldn't have said that i find the flop play completely uninteresting, that was a mistake. i think CRing rather than leading is pretty viable as is pushing after the maniac raises (although i dont think i get paid as often w/ either of those)

[GrunchCan]

Based on the reasoning and method you played preflop & flop, I agree the turn call is automatic. You were trying to induce action. You got that action. Why wouldn't you call?

It would probably be +EV for you to not be so incindiary when you post here, however. People are just trying to help your game.

[TheWorstPlayer]

I don't understand preflop or flop. Turn I also don't get. I like the river, though, assuming you didn't somehow manage to fold once all in.

Edit: Just to clarify - I am tickled pink to get all-in on the turn against both guys here on this board. They will both have a ten or worse a large percentage of the time. But I don't think your line is the best way to do that. And you give up a lot when they completely miss the flop by not re-raising preflop.