habitual donker

jt1 · #1 12-20-2005, 01:43 PM

Is this worth it? He may have that nine, he may not. He may call anyways with the nine; he may fold. But if he'll call with the nine, he'll also call with any other pair. He's played a lot of hands and gone far with most of them and hasn't yet raised with air.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (5.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises,

milesdyson · #2 12-20-2005, 01:45 PM

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But if he'll call with the nine, he'll also call with any other pair

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not entirely true.

i don't like this raise.

bnorthro · #3 12-20-2005, 01:46 PM

I bet you see a low suited A a lot here

#4 12-20-2005, 01:47 PM

I'm just calling this river. Maybe he's trying to bluff the ace, but I don't think you are beating him often enough here to raise. You aren't making the pair of nines fold. You might be getting 3-bet by an ace, although very unlikely.

#5 12-20-2005, 01:52 PM

this is borderline. If we're not calling, we're folding. I'm not sure I'd raise. I don't think he'd call with a worse hand.

#6 12-20-2005, 01:53 PM

I've seen donks call down in spots like this with a low A (A2). They never raise unless they improve to 2 pair/trips. I'd say this is a call, but definitely not a raise.

TomBrooks · #7 12-20-2005, 02:25 PM

If you haven't seen him raise with air, then he probably has the Ace or better. Fold the river.

I don't understand your raise. Given your other read that he calls too much, how do you expect to get him to fold an an ace or even a nine or pocket pair better than yours?

jt1 · #8 12-20-2005, 02:34 PM

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If you haven't seen him raise with air, then he probably has the Ace or better. Fold the river.

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No, you would have called this guy. He loved to donk. --

My reasons for raising are explained above. I think if the pot were a couple of bb bigger then a raise would have been correct.

27offsooot · #9 12-20-2005, 02:41 PM

If he's a habitual donker, he sucks. If he sucks, he'll call with a 9. If he calls with a nine, you shouldn't raise. I would call here, but i think folding is close. I don't like raising.

dealer_toe · #10 12-20-2005, 02:56 PM

I only like a raise if he will Fold a 9. I don't think there is much value in a raise if he won't.