Crazy Poker - never got signed up for affiliate rakeback deal

playersare · #1 08-20-2005, 10:01 PM

if you are planning to multitable 1/2 and 2/4 LHE "in the future", then you shouldn't even be overly concerned about rakeback to begin with. everyday 10c or higher raked hand bonuses available at many sites are worth over 5 times what rakeback would earn at those playing levels.

Crazy Poker hasn't been around all that long, they've changed their bonus schedule around quite a number of times and they haven't always been clear with customers about their deals. so don't assume they're going to keep to these T&C's either if the choose to change it again.

many of the sites you currently have accounts at don't have rakeback either, so your long term options are still pretty wide (Cryptos, Party skins, other Prima skins, Absolute, UB, Full Tilt and many more). stick with bonuses if you want to make the most money overall at low limits.

#2 08-21-2005, 12:17 AM

I'm starting at low limits to build my bankroll, but I've played and succeeded at mid levels, particularly 1/2 and 2/4. I am guestimating that I will start hitting those levels as opposed to the micro limits while bonuswhoring within 1-2 months, hence why I have concern for rakeback for the future.

playersare · #3 08-21-2005, 01:00 AM

I don't know where you're getting your rakeback theories from, but if you think you're going to earn more from an affiliate playing $1/2 and $2/4 than you would from just bonuses without rakeback, then you'd better check your math again.

rakeback is good to have in the long run but there are too many newbies who OBSESS about it while at the same time ignoring bonuses which are worth as much as 200-400% on their action.

get rakeback on the sites which I suggested on my previous reply in this thread. chances are you won't even need more than 1 or 2 of them in the long run anyway, since you should only try and generate excess MGR after clearing all possible bonuses and reloads on available sites first.

worrying about 33% rebate on a two-bit prima skin like Crazy Poker (a deal which only went up this month and isn't even worth as much as the $100 reloads that were there previously), is a total waste of energy at your level.

poker-penguin · #4 08-21-2005, 10:58 AM

1/2 and 2/4 are not mid limits.

Unless you're playing 8 tables of 2/4 because you need money in a hurry, you're going to be much better off working on improving your game than trying to multitable.

Rakeback starts to become more valuable than some bonuses at 3/6.

Interesting calculation: Playing full ring, the max rakeback people get is in the region of 25% of 1/10th of $3 = 7.5 cents a hand (and that's with max rake on every pot)

Rakeback is more useful for 6max players - 12.5 cents a hand with max rake

Rakeback is for high volume players who don't have bonuses left to clear high limit players who don't have the game selection available at their usual limits on many bonus offering sites.

Sniper · #5 08-21-2005, 12:05 PM

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Rakeback is for high volume players who don't have bonuses left to clear high limit players who don't have the game selection available at their usual limits on many bonus offering sites.

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This is just plain wrong... rakeback is an additional benefit on top of bonuses, and you need to do it when you first sign up for a site.

poker-penguin · #6 08-21-2005, 03:46 PM

Rakeback is on the net rake you produce. If you're clearing bonuses at low limits, you're producing negative MGR.

I'm sticking with my statement.

JRussell · #7 08-21-2005, 07:28 PM

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Rakeback is on the net rake you produce. If you're clearing bonuses at low limits, you're producing negative MGR.

I'm sticking with my statement.

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If you're ONLY clearing bonuses at low-limits then you are generating negative rake... so what? How does that hurt you in any way? Find an affiliate who doesn't carry over negative balances and there's no reason not to take advantage of rake back. You get the bonuses when starting out and still have rake back later down the road when it becomes more profitable for you.

Sniper · #8 08-21-2005, 08:04 PM

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Rakeback is on the net rake you produce. If you're clearing bonuses at low limits, you're producing negative MGR.

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There are sites that do not subtract bonus dollars from MGR.

If you are not signing up for a rakeback deal when you join a new poker room, you are giving up ALOT of $$$ long term.

poker-penguin · #9 08-21-2005, 08:33 PM

Yes, you are losing out by setting up a rakeback account. CPA abuse (gift for signups) is much more +EV in the short term for most sites.

I have rakeback at a couple of prima skins - know how much I've made from it? $2.45

Know how much I could have got signing up through PSO or ITH? About $100 of stuff.

My point should be clear - rakeback only matters at sites you want to stay on.

It's not that hard to work around and get a rakeback account at any site you didn't get the first time around if you really get stuck. Easier is to just find a skin you haven't whored.

The important one to get is a Party skin (two if you think you'll want to 8 table in the future). Yes, Rakeback is nice but it's not always the best way to profit from signing up at a poker room.