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Old 04-24-2005, 09:30 PM
GrandmaStabone GrandmaStabone is offline
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Default Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls $1.74 (All-In), Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

<font color="red"> </font> I called as opposed to 3-bet because there was no way one more bet would knock anyone off any kind of draw. Additionally, if a blank falls on the turn, my equity skyrockets and I can turn up the heat.

Turn: (8.37 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, Button calls.

I figured the button had Aj or KJ and would bet, so I CR'sed him to force the other player to call 2 bets cold.

River: (12.37 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14.37 BB


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Old 04-24-2005, 09:33 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: Protetig an overpair in a multiway pot

3-bet flop, you're risking giving a free card too often by using this line.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:35 PM
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

3-bet. no need to get fancy.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

I 3 bet and lead the turn. A free card here would be killer.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:40 PM
LoaferGee12 LoaferGee12 is offline
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

Equity way too big to pass up a 3-bet on the flop. Giving a freecard on the turn would suck too.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:44 PM
AngelicPenguin AngelicPenguin is offline
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

It sounds like you played it like the "Two Overpair Hands" section of SSH. But I think he advocates calling the flop in that situation b/c the TT hand is very vulnerable, while you aren't AS much (ie, your equity doesn't change as much as the TT hand.)
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:46 PM
GrandmaStabone GrandmaStabone is offline
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

I am surprised at the concensus here. If I 3-bet the flop, the pot gets bloated, allowing the flush draw to call profitably on the turn. Specifically, I 3-bet, both call (correctly), I lead the turn, getting 2 callers (correctly) and hold up. In this instance the outcome is the same (in terms of pot size), but in my play, I eliminated the draw and won the same amount as I would have if I had allowed him to stay.
Additionally, as mentioned, the turn card will either make or break my equity in this pot. A blank here probably gives me about 20% extra equity (15% reduction from the flop to turn for the flush draw, and an estimated 5% from a card that did not appear to have helped the button). Therefore I am passing a small edge on the flop for a great edge on the turn, in a pot where I can protect my hand from a draw and collect extra bets from a second best top pair.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:47 PM
AngelicPenguin AngelicPenguin is offline
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

The flush draw always has correct odds to call. He's getting 4-1 on the turn.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:53 PM
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

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Old 04-25-2005, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: Protecting an overpair in a multiway pot

You have a pot equity edge on teh flop. Push it. Even if he doesn't folds, you get the money in.
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