Stay away from Ultimate Bet.

[beernutz]

I have a question Nate, are you so sure there was collusion between the props at UB because you too were colluding in the games with other props?

Frankly you sound like a jilted lover to me. Either we are hearing only one very biased side of a story or you are mad that you can no longer take advantage of the collusion that was going on.

For the record I do have a UB account but am not now or never was a prop. I won a small amount of money there (under $20) in a short time but no longer play there.

[bernie]

you have such a problem with it, but dont substantiate it...

so....how about your own integrity? you dont seem to mind if youre friends are cheating? but youre not happy with the site....

must be nice to split hairs like that....

i agree with mason, if your not willing to give details on allegations, your accusation, and especially your reasons for not giving details, are about worthless.

but keep hiding your 'friends'....in hiding them, youre helping hide UB.

b

[Mason Malmuth]

In live cardrooms that employ props, they are told by management what games to play in and when to change games. That just sounds like standard procedure.

MM

[Flopped]

"Every single game you will ever play in on Ultimatebet right down to the .50/$1 will have numerous props colluding in it. Its actually promoted and demanded by the prop manager,"

And you were a prop, right? And that means what? that you did or didn't cheat? Or is it just your "friends" that cheat?

If you have some real information, post it. Even though your crediblity is zilch, maybe you can repair it.

Ultimatebet does have a very good Headsup rake. Ain't no collluders there, right?

[CreamPuff]

As an ex-host/prop on Ultimate myself and long time poster,
I wanted to try to set a few things straight from my point
of view.

until Thanatos 'fired' me for no apparent reason other than I 3bet her on a few occassions

I would be surprised if this were the reason you were
fired..Thanatos (Lisa)is a very good player, that often
subjects herself to heads up play vs. some of the top
online players..I do not think she cares if you 3 bet her.
I've also played on the table w/ her for many hrs. Can't
see it.

I can tell you for a fact the numerous hosts (whose names I mostly all know) collude w/o fail

This is a serious accusation. Never happened to my knowledge. And I have enough experience in the game.
Never suspected anything wrong from them either.


making the game almost impossible to beat

The games are very beatable. Not much different than
the other sites (although I always thought the rake
was too high in the 3-6 and 2-4)

******
You clearly have a problem with the site and manager.
I am also famaliar with the prop system on PartyPoker
and it is NO DIFFERENT.

[tdiddy]

wow, acr gets a make over and so does beernutz's signature

[beernutz]

Purely a coinky-dink I assure you.

[David]

If you know of props who collude list their screen names (this won't reveal their real identities to us). If there is any truth to your accusations then put the names out there. I play regularly at UB and if I'm being cheated I want to know. I do consider it to be a tough site, but have never felt cheated. If you know screen names then name them . If you won't, then put simply, your lying.

[redmarion]

I'll give you my take on 'prop's collusion' @UB.

I play in the full table games and I play short handed tables. If they were colluding, they surely would do a better job to win some pots. If you're gonna cheat, your intention is to win. Apparently they don't play at the tables I play. Or they don't play in hands I play (never play garbage). When I start with superior hands and play str8 forward, I don't fear cheaters. Play the nuts and take the cheaters (if they are there)money. Most cheaters couldn't beat their on arse, and that's why they have to cheat to win.

You post sounds to much like sour grapes

[thebroker]

write them and ask for a list