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Re: $2/$4 hand
Just for the hell of it I ran a simulation where I gave your opponents COMPLETELY RANDOM hole cards. You can do this with Wilson Turbo 7 Card stud. In a show down your hand wins 27% of the time (20% is break even in a 5 handed pot). Imagine what it is when you factor in that people don't just play random hole cards. Also, you have a huge playing disadvantage. What are you gonna do if someone makes 3 of a suit on 5th street? How about on 6th street? Are you just gonna call the whole way with the pair of 8s no matter what? Not only are the percentages against you but you'll never know where you stand and will make big mistakes one way or the other. A bet isn't gonna knock anyone out here. People don't think "Well he raised he might have pocket aces and he just hit trips" they just hit the call button.
I think if you're going further with this hand on 4th street, you have a leak you need to plug. |
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Re: $2/$4 hand
Roland, were you going to post the follow-up to this?
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Re: $2/$4 hand
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Roland, were you going to post the follow-up to this? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. 7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter) 3rd Street - (1.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls 4th Street - (6.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls 5th Street - (5.50 BB) Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___folds Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls 6th Street - (8.50 BB) Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___??? Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___ Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets |
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Re: $2/$4 hand
Surprised you bet 5th.
Fold 6th. |
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Re: $2/$4 hand
I give up at this point. With no read on seat 8, it's difficult to pin down but, assuming weak, the bet is ominous. There's lotsa spades out but you could be looking at a flush. For that matter, a boat is not inconceivable. Also, Ks or Qs up looks huge.
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Re: $2/$4 hand
A guiding principle for me in these games is that the players make many, many more calling errors than they do folding errors. So when I play fast on 3rd and 4th, which I often do as a semi-bluff, I only continue when I improve or think there's a decent chance I'm best. Otherwise, I abjectly give up and check fold, which is what you should have done on fifth here. The real money to be made in these games -- and they have never been juicier -- is simply by betting when you are best and getting called. Sometimes the pots get big and the other players get tricky and you are advised to call -- as my post the other day. But often it goes like this, pot not big, hand not improved, opponents not leaving, time to stop betting because now you don't want to get called.
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