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No 228 96.20%
Yes 9 3.80%
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:32 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

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So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs.

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i don't understand. pick off bluffs = call bluffs.

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When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter.


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huh?

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he's not calling the bluff...he's raising the bluffer all-in...so he doesn't have to have the best showdown hand, he just has to be accurate that the guy was bluffing so will fold


he's saying that if ur opp bluffed all-in, then your hand matters, as it'll go to showdown

but if your opp didn't go all-in, then your hand doesn't matter cause he'll fold if he was bluffing...if he wasn't bluffing, he'll call and have u beat no matter your hand, unless you did have a hand, in which case you weren't bluffing
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:37 AM
otctrader otctrader is offline
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

I'm glad this one worked out for you, but I'm not sure I trust someone who overbets that board in a $27 turbo out of the SB to lay down.

The average opponent is going to expect you to represent a 9 by smooth calling, and I definitely don't want to have this clown call me with K6o because he thinks I'm shoving 87 or making some sort of move.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

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I just hate the thought of getting picked of by a 9,

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I was more afraid of this than him calling with ace high. He almost never has a 6 with that bet.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

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I just hate the thought of getting picked of by a 9,

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I was more afraid of this than him calling with ace high. He almost never has a 6 with that bet.

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I just don't think there's any chance he has a 9. I don't think 'donks' play a 9 that way. I think they slowplay it.

So, if he doesn't have a 9, he can't call. So, your push is good. When I do this, I usually like to have a little something though, in the case that I do get called by ... A2o or some crap.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:59 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

at least he had runner-runner straight, runner-runner flush? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

this smells. why is this guy betting 450 into a 300 pot?
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:07 AM
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this smells. why is this guy betting 450 into a 300 pot?

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Because he sucks and wants to 'buy' the pot and doesn't have a real hand that he thinks he can make a lot of money from.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

I am somewhere between the second and third option. I do this if I think villain gets out of line and I think he knows how to fold. Also, how I have been playing lately has a big impact on whether I make this move or not. In the posted hand it seems really natural (unless sb is really passive post flop). I do the move small blind did a lot, too, except with a T150-200 bet.

His overbet reaks of weakness, and he cannot easily justify playing a 9 (or even a 6) like this with some multi-level thinking argument because even if you know for sure he does not have a pair, there are still not a lot of hands you can play on with. The only time this is slick from his spot is if he has a 9 and knows you there is a good chance you will go for a resteal, but would otherwise probably just check behind.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:11 AM
MegaBet MegaBet is offline
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No way! I usually play people who actually realise when they're pot committed. Looks like you got lucky and made this play against a donk. Very unwise unless you have a super-solid read.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Is this type of move part of your game?

Why is the SB pot committed? He has almost 2100 left.
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