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10-13-2005, 10:03 AM
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Is this type of move part of your game?
So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs. When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter SB (t2710) Hero (t1435) UTG (t1445) MP (t340) CO (t3460) Button (t4110) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (t300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1285</font>, SB folds. Final Pot: t2035 
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#2
10-13-2005, 10:07 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] i don't understand. pick off bluffs = call bluffs. [ QUOTE ] When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] huh?
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#3
10-13-2005, 10:13 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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[ QUOTE ] So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] i don't understand. pick off bluffs = call bluffs. [ QUOTE ] When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] WHy does 'picking off a bluff' necesarily have to be calling it? Wouldn't pushing him off it be the same thing? And what he was saying is that when you think they're bluffing it doesn't matter what cards you have, cause they can't call you. (assuming your right)
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10-13-2005, 10:29 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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[ QUOTE ] So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] i don't understand. pick off bluffs = call bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] If he has Kx, he almost certainly cannot call my raise. So his bet is a bluff, and I pick it off by forcing him off his better hand. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] My phrasing is unclear, I guess. Basically what I mean is, if your opponent bluffs allin, and you are fairly certain he has jack high, there's not much you can do (because he might be bluffing with king high or queen high). But if he just bets, you can raise with your jack high getting him to fold what is the better hand (which of course he doesn't know).
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#5
10-13-2005, 12:23 PM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] i don't understand. pick off bluffs = call bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] If he has Kx, he almost certainly cannot call my raise. So his bet is a bluff, and I pick it off by forcing him off his better hand. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] My phrasing is unclear, I guess. Basically what I mean is, if your opponent bluffs allin, and you are fairly certain he has jack high, there's not much you can do (because he might be bluffing with king high or queen high). But if he just bets, you can raise with your jack high getting him to fold what is the better hand (which of course he doesn't know). [/ QUOTE ] ok, apparently i don't know what "picking off a bluff" means. thought it was only calling and not re-bluffing as well. nice link on strassa's overbet thread, btw.
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10-13-2005, 10:32 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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[ QUOTE ] So right now the part of my game I am working on is actively finding spots to pick off bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] i don't understand. pick off bluffs = call bluffs. [ QUOTE ] When you do this, unless your opponent is "bluffing" allin, your hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] he's not calling the bluff...he's raising the bluffer all-in...so he doesn't have to have the best showdown hand, he just has to be accurate that the guy was bluffing so will fold he's saying that if ur opp bluffed all-in, then your hand matters, as it'll go to showdown but if your opp didn't go all-in, then your hand doesn't matter cause he'll fold if he was bluffing...if he wasn't bluffing, he'll call and have u beat no matter your hand, unless you did have a hand, in which case you weren't bluffing
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#7
10-13-2005, 10:08 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
I think the 3x big blind bet on the flop is a little too rich for me... but when people bet out 1-2 big blind bets, and i'm fairly certain they're bluffing, its quite easy to raise here.
the most important thing I've noticed is that it has to be 4-5 people/bubble time.
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#8
10-13-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
Ive been picking off some bluffls lately (river especially) where I will raise (90% sure I am ahead) all-in after they bet, say 600. mY raise is 200-300 more and they actually fold! (2000+ in pot) this has happened 3-4 times in last couple of days and one thing about picking off a bluff is that if you think they are on one, your FE doesnt matter...they will fold.
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#9
10-13-2005, 12:00 PM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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Ive been picking off some bluffls lately (river especially) where I will raise (90% sure I am ahead) all-in after they bet, say 600. mY raise is 200-300 more and they actually fold! (2000+ in pot) this has happened 3-4 times in last couple of days and one thing about picking off a bluff is that if you think they are on one, your FE doesnt matter...they will fold. NH [/ QUOTE ] one of these was against me Im pretty sure, I called the flop and turn and raised the river less than all in trying to represent like I wanted a call and you pushed but I still had 400 or so behind so I folded and I ended up busting you later when you pushed in with 4 6 or something [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#10
10-13-2005, 10:24 AM
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Re: Is this type of move part of your game?
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...the most important thing I've noticed is that it has to be 4-5 people/bubble time. [/ QUOTE ] That's the most importan caveat for me, also. I usually reserve it as a response to smaller bets and only after they've done the same thing a few times. I like to bluff the flop instead of raise them off their hand pre-flop because a lot of players will call a 3-4xbb raise to see three cards.
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