Holocaust Denial

[zipo]

"What "platitudes" are you referring to?"

>>If you pretend not to know, I have nothing more to say.<<

You make an issue of supposed "platitudes" in my posts in this thread, and even provide a link to a dictionary definition of 'platitude', so you should then know the meaning of the word.

Then, when put on the spot, you simply refuse to justify your comment, and instead divert/obfuscate/deny the issue.

Honestly, why should we give weight to any of your words?

Your behavior in this instance is that of a troll. Are you indeed nothing more than a troll, or is this just a behavior you adopt when your arguments and assertions are proven to be irrational, false, or untenable?

[Cyrus]

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"What "platitudes" are you referring to?"

[/ QUOTE ]Your whole post is full of platitudes! Pick a phrase in it : bingo, a platitude.

An' check this out : This is about your 4th or 5th post in this thread and despite my asking you as many times to clarify/elaborate what the hell you are talking about, you are still whistlin' Hava nagila.

So, once more, with lotsa feeling, and sugar on top : Do you have anything the f*ck to say?

[Peter666]

Zundel was deported to Canada from the US for overstaying his visa. He was a legal landed immigrant in Canada since 1958. He was "deported" to Germany for being an "alleged security threat" to Canada with only "alleged" evidence as stated in the verdict!!! Considering Canada is a haven for drug kingpens and illegal immigrants who are shooting up the streets in Toronto (the Jamaican gangs) while their cases are being heard in immigration court, the hypocrisy is ridiculous.

This is nothing but a blatant attack on free speech.

And since you asked, here is some photographic evidence for the disinformation regarding Auschwitz:

http://www.picturehosting.org/images...uschwitz02.jpg

http://www.picturehosting.org/images...uschwitz01.jpg


Estimates have gone from 9 million to 1 million in regards to the Auschwitz camps. The real question is: of those who died, how many were deliberately murdered, and how many died of different causes such as typhus?

[zipo]

My later replies to you in this thread were designed to test the hypothesis I presented earlier, namely: "Your behavior in this instance is that of a troll. Are you indeed nothing more than a troll, or is this just a behavior you adopt when your arguments and assertions are proven to be irrational, false, or untenable?"

That hypothesis has been adequately confirmed.

Case closed.

[Gamblor]

Estimates have gone from 9 million to 1 million in regards to the Auschwitz camps. The real question is: of those who died, how many were deliberately murdered, and how many died of different causes such as typhus?

Are you suggesting that there's any difference? There is not a system of law on earth that doesn't equate direct intent with oblique intent. That is, if you stick a gun in someone's face and pull the trigger, it doesn't matter whether you actually intended them to die or not, you knew death was a certainty. You can't claim that you only wanted to break his nose.

[BluffTHIS!]

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The real question is: of those who died, how many were deliberately murdered, and how many died of different causes such as typhus?

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This is a false question. If they were forcibly detained in a camp, then they were murdered since they did not receive adequate medical care for diseases contracted there, and there was no justification for their detention. Plus the Nazi intention was to either murder them or work them to death anyway.

Unless of course you think Dr. Joseph Mengele provided adequate care or that the Nazis were justified in putting Jews in camps.

[Peter666]

Of course there is a difference, and it should be blatantly obvious. That's why we have 3 degrees of murder and different degrees of manslaughter.

If Germany at the end of the war is going through famine and an outbreak of disease, naturally prisoners in a weakened state are going to die first or not get first dibs on available medicine that is going to troops.

If German citizens are dying of these things, naturally prisonsers will also die of these things. It is true that these prisoners should not be put in camps to begin with, which makes the Nazi's culpable of their deaths, but not to the degree of first degree murder.

[BCPVP]

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It is true that these prisoners should not be put in camps to begin with, which makes the Nazi's culpable of their deaths, but not to the degree of first degree murder.

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For the ones that weren't killed outright, but later died of "natural causes", it is, at best, depraved indifference. They put them in a perilous situation with little to no chance of escape or help.

[zipo]

>>It is true that these prisoners should not be put in camps to begin with, which makes the Nazi's culpable of their deaths, but not to the degree of first degree murder. <<

Incredible.

[Gamblor]

Of course there is a difference, and it should be blatantly obvious. That's why we have 3 degrees of murder and different degrees of manslaughter.

I can't believe you really want to go into this, but i'll happily oblige for the masses.

Again, there is no difference between oblique intent and direct intent.

Let's start from scratch. There are 5 levels of intent: direct intent, oblique intent, recklessness, negligence, and no intent. You'll see why this matters in a minute.

Anyone who causes the death of another person, directly, or indirectly, by any means, commits homicide. There are two kinds of homicide: culpable and non-culpable. Any homicide that is non-culpable can't be penalized. Any homicide that is culpable (culpable being through an unlawful act, criminal negligence, causing fear that leads to suicide, or actually scaring to death) is divided into first degree murder, second degree murder, or manslaughter.

Now listen to this part, here is where you'll want to pay attention:
Culpable homicide is murder when either a person means to cause his death or means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and is reckless whether or not death ensues, or where a person, in committing a crime, does anything that he knows or ought to know is likely to cause death, and thereby causes death to a human being, notwithstanding that he intended to commit another crime without causing bodily harm or death.

This second instance is called "constructive murder". And there isn't a legal system on earth that doesn't equate constructive murder with murder.

Murder can only be reduced to manslaughter if done in the heat of passion, is provoked, or the crime you were originally committing is not certain or highly probable to cause death.

Basically, the point of this all is to show you that if you're committing an act that is inherently dangerous or criminal and death is a certainty or is of high probability, even if you don't directly intend it, you will be charged with murder.

Interning the Jews in concentration camps, underfeeding them, overworking them slave labour, and not providing adequate medical treatment is a near guarantee of deadly diseases and death.

Murder is murder. So if 50% were first degree murder, and 50% second degree murder, that's still a hell of a lot of jail time.