99 on A high flop -- big pot. Turn question...

#1 10-22-2005, 06:20 PM

Just sat down. No real reads except table seems much looser than the norm. I know the flop call is questionable since there's a good chance somebody will c/r, but...try and disregard that. I really wanna know what people do on this turn when it's checked around to you?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16.20 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.10 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero ???

thesharpie · #2 10-22-2005, 06:47 PM

UTG betting into you, and you're behind most of BB's 3 betting range even if you somehow have UTG beat. Ditch it on the flop. Sorry for bringing that up.

On the turn it's only gotta work 1 in 11 times, although sometimes you'll be giving up your 5% chance. I really don't know, if I bet I'd hope BB has KQs, or might fold a higher pocket pair, and hope UTG is a doofus.

Edit: After thinking about it I just take the free card since we're not good often enough to protect against giving a free card, I think we gain more by taking a free card. Also one of the only hands I think you're ahead of against the BB, KQs, is usually going to ditch it on the flop.

#3 10-22-2005, 06:59 PM

The flop call isn't that out of the question, because as long as SB and BB just call you are almost getting immediate odds for your set. I would probably still fold because there aren't many hands that are 3 betting you preflop that don't have you beat here. Not only that, but the SB or BB might check raise which would commit you for another bet. On the turn I would just check and fold to a river bet. I think that despite the fact that he checked, UTG has ome kind of a weak ace, and if you bet the turn I believe you are getting called down by a better hand. Betting here and taking a free showdown wouldn't be a bad line if you think some of these players are able to lay down a better hand than you have.

#4 10-22-2005, 07:02 PM

I think i played the flop really badly. I should fold/raise here folding a lot more than raising. I want to know what people do on the turn tho.

speirs · #5 10-22-2005, 07:39 PM

hmm... preflop i think i would limp along a lot. when i limped i would raise the flop bet almost 100% of the time to see what develops.

#6 10-22-2005, 09:00 PM

bump...

#7 10-23-2005, 12:02 AM

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hmm... preflop i think i would limp along a lot. when i limped i would raise the flop bet almost 100% of the time to see what develops.

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Maybe I don't understand this, but I don't like this reasoning at all. This is a good hand to raise pre-flop. After that, I don't see why you would raise the flop 100% of the time (or almost) to just see what develops. Raise if it's +EV, not just to raise.