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Old 11-28-2004, 11:40 PM
jimymat jimymat is offline
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Default Poker Stars programming error?

Playing 1-2 NL last night when this hand came up. I flop trips and bet the hell out of it. Two callers. I fill up on the turn and one guy makes a straight. River comes with third heart and flushes the the other guy Ace high. Im on cloud nine with a big pot and got them both covered. Below is my letter to poker stars...



To make a long story short I will begin with the betting action on the last round. I am in first position (hero with $200 ), second position ( player 2 with $5.90 ) , and last position ( player 3 with $98 ). I have a full house, the best hand showing on the board, and I check it to the other two players so I can check raise when they bet at the pot. After I check PUTZ0303 goes all in $5.90 into a almost $100 pot, rgrappone calls the $5.90 bet leaving him around $92 in his stack. When I then go to raise (check raise) the only options that were offered to me were to call the $5.90 bet or fold. The raise button did not appear for an option. The option to raise should have been available to me since player rgrappone still had $92 left. A side pot should have been created and I would have won the other $92 because he showed a flush King high. The option not being presented to me cost me $92 in this pot.
Of course I understand that had I been given the option to check raise him all in he may not have called but when you play tight like I do and wait for a good hand, in this situation the best hand out, I have to be able to make moves like check raise to make up for such tight play.
There are one of three things that I would like from poker stars,
1- I would like clarification on the rule of when a player goes all in and there are other players left to act with more money than was put all in.
2- If this is found to be a programming error or a mistake in how the program was originally written, I would like to receive some kind of compensation for my losses. Obviously there is no way to determine if rgrappone would have called a check raise so money for compensation would be out of the question. I suggesst maybe either credit my account with some FPP or offer me a free entry into a tournament of my choice with in reason.
3- If this is how the rule was written into your program than it needs to either be changed so that it is the same as all the other sites and casinos across the country or you need to make it clear that on your site when a player goes all in thats it, no more betting and raisng on the last card.
Over all I am happy with your site but I feel that being able to check raise your opponent is one of the strongest moves available, especially with so many bad players today. If this option is not available, like in this situation, than it is pointless to play. You might as well make your whole site limit poker and not allow any check raising at all. I am truely baffeled as to why this option was not available to me. I have talked to fellow players and Harrahs employees including the poker room manager and they say that I should have been given the option to raise since rgrappone had money left. I would appreciate a response to this issue .
Thank you,

Im only 100% sure that I should have been able to check raise this guy for his last 92. Has any body else ever experienced this problem on any other sites. In KC we are allowed to do this at all the B&M'S. I knew one of them would bet and that is why i opted to check raise, if I had known that I was not able to do so I obviously would have gone all in in first position. Just e-mailed support so I will let you know how they respond.
Thanks
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:28 AM
KingMarc KingMarc is offline
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

I didn't read most of your post, but I think I read enough.

The rule is you cannot check raise after a player has gone all in for less than what a raise would have been. If you were not before the all in player, then you could have raised. However, as you checked, you cannot then raise afterwards -- only call or fold.

Edit: There's a section on this in Ciafonne and Reuben's book, NL & PL Poker. The section is called "All in Coups"
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:29 AM
GrannyMae GrannyMae is offline
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

standard nl rule.

you are playing it wrong in KC
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:32 AM
Punker Punker is offline
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

Before action is reopened, someone must raise by at least the amount of your bet. Had that player gone all in for $40.01, you would have been able to reraise as he raised by at least $20 (the size of your original bet).
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

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Im only 100% sure that I should have been able to check raise this guy for his last 92.

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You're only 100% incorrect.
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:06 AM
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

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You're only 100% incorrect.


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WTF BOB.

These are the kinds of responses that start arguments. Atleast be polite in your insults.
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

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I am in first position (I have a full house, the best hand showing on the board, and I check it to the other two players so I can check raise when they bet at the pot. After I check PUTZ0303 goes all in $5.90 into a almost $100 pot, rgrappone calls the $5.90 bet leaving him around $92 in his stack. Thanks

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I think you guys need to read this better. It appears he checked! there was a bet. He can therefore checkraise ANY amount = or greater than the bettors ($5.90).

This hero is correct. An error in party or the post was written incorrectly.
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Old 11-29-2004, 02:07 AM
Sponger15SB Sponger15SB is offline
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

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You're only 100% incorrect.


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WTF BOB.

These are the kinds of responses that start arguments. Atleast be polite in your insults.

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Yeah Bob you are such an [censored], please just leave the forum, I never want to hear any of your crap again, sickening.

Why I haven't checked "ignore this user" yet I'll never know.
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Old 11-29-2004, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

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Why I haven't checked "ignore this user" yet I'll never know.

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Because you like my cat avatar??
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Old 11-29-2004, 02:12 AM
Sponger15SB Sponger15SB is offline
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Default Re: Poker Stars programming error?

Funny you say that, I actually do really like your cat avatar and location, very good stuff.

Also, what was up with the old avatar? Never quite understood why you had a little girl listening to headphones as your avatar.
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