Big pot poker

Duerig · #1 08-18-2005, 03:50 AM

I don't post hands here very often but I think I'm going to try to put up 1 / week from now on. Hope this one is interesting.

Reads: Besides the pf raiser, this table is _very_ loose passive. The pf raiser is tight aggressive.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

I thought the pf call was ok with my BB discount. Is this a mistake?

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)

What's your line here, and why?

#2 08-18-2005, 03:55 AM

Check and see what happens.

silkyslim · #3 08-18-2005, 05:15 AM

bet out flop, UTG might raise with his overs and you can face the field with 2 cold.

#4 08-18-2005, 05:27 AM

Normally I'd bet, but in this case check: so many limpers that one makes a straight. I mean, for sure. You're hand is not that strong yet. You (I) want to see the turn as cheaply as possible, so why bet and call a raise, when you can just check and call a bet.

flo · #5 08-18-2005, 05:55 AM

To protect the hand?

#6 08-18-2005, 06:03 AM

I don't think it's you who should protect the hand, rather the pf raiser who should protect his. So he's gonna raise. The turn will tell you whether you're strong enough or not. Why not figuring that out for less money?

jrz1972 · #7 08-18-2005, 11:32 AM

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I don't think it's you who should protect the hand, rather the pf raiser who should protect his. So he's gonna raise. The turn will tell you whether you're strong enough or not. Why not figuring that out for less money?

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You want the PF raiser to raise your flop bet. If I could somehow pass $0.50 to the PFR and tell the guy to raise me, I would. I desperately want to get raised immediately so I can force the field to call two cold.

flo · #8 08-18-2005, 05:59 AM

I like the pf call.
I bet out on this flop. TPGK + BDFD is vulnerable, i want to protect my hand here. Maybe the pf raiser raises and it's going to be HU.
Is that reasoning correct? Protecting the hand, limiting the field?

#9 08-18-2005, 06:10 AM

There's already 12 bets in the pot. Leading out with a bet will give people 13:1 and greater odds. So any draw with more than 3 outs will call here. In other words, betting here will not protect your hand.

If you want to protect your hand, check to the PF raiser and raise him. That'll give people 7.5:1 odds on their call, which might eliminate gutshots and other weak draws - although you never know with these people.

SavageMiser · #10 08-18-2005, 07:22 AM

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There's already 12 bets in the pot. Leading out with a bet will give people 13:1 and greater odds. So any draw with more than 3 outs will call here. In other words, betting here will not protect your hand.

If you want to protect your hand, check to the PF raiser and raise him. That'll give people 7.5:1 odds on their call, which might eliminate gutshots and other weak draws - although you never know with these people.

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Huh? The raiser is to your immediate left. You check and the field will face just one bet; you bet and they could face two if UTG+1 raises. That's the only way they'll get 7.5:1.