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Old 11-28-2005, 03:25 AM
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Canterbury 15/30 9 handed
UTG+1 is the only decent player in the game. UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, 1 fold, 2 more limpers to me on the button with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I......state what you do and why.
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:43 AM
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you gotta raise. you're getting somewhere between 6-7 to 1 and dont need much more to get odds to raise for equity along. include your postflop edge, and you should raise it up. also, making the pot bigger on the flop will occasionally make it okay for you to draw again on the flop where if you just limp you wont have the odds.

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Old 11-28-2005, 03:47 AM
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also, making the pot bigger on the flop will occasionally make it okay for you to draw again on the flop where if you just limp you wont have the odds.

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Why is that a good thing? I don't disagree with a raise here but I really don't like it when people post that you should bloat the pot preflop so that you help yourself find the turn.

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Old 11-28-2005, 03:50 AM
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Sometimes I limp, most of the time I raise. It's a great time to mix up your play in an EV neutral situation.
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:53 AM
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to be 100% honest, the idea of bloating the pot has been one of the things i have planned on looking into if its worth it or not in terms of increasing your equity becuase you'll be in fighting for a pot that you normally wouldn't be in. so i haven't done the math yet, but i think* it is either a completely =ev play that only increases your variance, or slightly +ev. but that doesn't include the amount of times both blinds fold, blanks flop and your continuation bet narrows down the field. ( although thats rare as well, and pretty slight if the opponents are as i suspect)

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Old 11-28-2005, 03:54 AM
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Sometimes I limp, most of the time I raise. It's a great time to mix up your play in an EV neutral situation.

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FWIW, I think I'm almost exactly the opposite. Of course, this is online. Live I think I'd be more inclined to raise and online I'm more inclined to limp -- I'm probably about 75/25 limping/raising here.

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Old 11-28-2005, 03:58 AM
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Sometimes I limp, most of the time I raise. It's a great time to mix up your play in an EV neutral situation.

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Old 11-28-2005, 05:13 AM
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Me2. what's the flop? maybe you flopped a set! That'd be awesome.

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Old 11-28-2005, 05:13 AM
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Me2. what's the flop? maybe you flopped a set! That'd be awesome.

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my guess is that hes gonna turn one.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:24 AM
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Me2. what's the flop? maybe you flopped a set! That'd be awesome.

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my guess is that hes gonna turn one.

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I raise preflop - raising is fun.

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