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Old 11-16-2005, 02:44 AM
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so i'm playing 5/10 limit at winstar casino in oklahoma and this hand comes up. i'm in the pot with a guy who i can tell is a solid player, and knows better than this. flop is A-high, i bet, he calls. turn is a blank, i bet again, and he folds. so he knows that i'm not just trying to push him around, and maybe to get him to fold a stronger hand later, i show an A, with my other card face down as i throw my cards in. before the dealer can take the cards and reshuffle, he grabs my face down card and turns it up(my hand was A6o, and i really didn't want him seeing my hand). well, i just kind of sit there with this befuddled look on my face, and ramble something, and everyone just kind of goes on with their business. i was so thrown off by what he did, i didn't even know what to say or do, and play pretty much just went on from there with not much being said. the dealer didn't even say anything. i didn't want to make a huge ordeal about it, as i was having a good time, and it was a pretty friendly table, but i don't think that play should be tolerated.
what do you think should be done in that situation?

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Old 11-16-2005, 02:53 AM
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You know I have never seen that before. Another player absolutely should not be touching the cards you tossed. The dealer should be reprimanding the player for doing so. But since he didn't, and as you say the table was pretty friendly, I think you should let it slide for the time being.
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Old 11-16-2005, 03:06 AM
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You know I have never seen that before. Another player absolutely should not be touching the cards you tossed. The dealer should be reprimanding the player for doing so. But since he didn't, and as you say the table was pretty friendly, I think you should let it slide for the time being.

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Word. Bad dealer.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:50 AM
BigBaitsim (milo) BigBaitsim (milo) is offline
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Default Re: Very taboo. What do I do?

In some cardrooms, exposing one card entitles the players at the table to see both. As I understand it, its an anti-taunting rule.

Regardless, another player should NEVER expose your cards. If that is the rule, the dealer will either expose on request, or automatically, again depending on cardroom policy.
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Old 11-16-2005, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: Very taboo. What do I do?

Here is a radical idea, don't be a tool. Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.

Yes the other guy was in the wrong and I would have screamed bloody murder but if you had better table manners, you wouldn't be in the situation in the first place.
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Old 11-16-2005, 11:45 AM
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Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.


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I agree with this. At Foxwoods, every showdown I've seen where the villian only attempts to show the ace has a rag for a kicker anyway.
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Old 11-16-2005, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: Very taboo. What do I do?

Here's a radical idea -- know what you're talking about before reprimanding others, nit. If OP wants to show that he had top pair, to cultivate an image that he's playing premium cards, that's his business. Some thinking players will try and train their opponents to respect their hands (even when they do not warrant respect [ie - A6o]) In no way is that being a 'tool'. It's using table image to maximize EV.


That being said, the player was definitely in the wrong for turning over the OP's other hole card. And the dealer was also in the wrong for not correcting the player. Should OP say anything? That's read dependant -- if you think it will stop the fun atmosphere of the table, I would hesitate to say anything. Next time, hold both cards together, with the Ace on bottom, and show the Ace. Then throw the cards in the muck yourself, so your opponent doesn't have the chance to turn over your other card. Just a thought.
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Old 11-16-2005, 11:56 AM
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Here is a radical idea, don't be a tool. Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.


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Not a tool and not an ass.

Absolutely nothing wrong with showing one card after a fold when it proves that you had the winning hand (other than giving away information, of course). Generally, it keeps the table (and the fish) happy and helps set up future moves when you want a player to fold.

It's a completely different story if someone is trying to influence your decision in a big pot by showing a card before you make a decision... I don't think that is a bad move either, but it could make you look like an ass.
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Old 11-16-2005, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: Very taboo. What do I do?

When I was playing at the Wynn, somebody attempted to only show one card, and the dealer explained that the camera has to see both. This wasn't enforced consistantly, and this was on a showndown hand, so it may be totally different.

That said- it seems like the less dickish move is to ask and let the dealer turn it up, and the even less dickish move is to not ask.

The best move on your part is to just not get worked up by assholes, as it's an unavoidable part of dealer with a random group of people engaged in a comptetative activity.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: Very taboo. What do I do?

2nd to what steamboatin said

opponent is solid player - he reads you correctly and your response is to confirm his suspicion? fix this leak before concerning yourself with table manners of the other players(and i dont buy the arguement you are using this to your advantage later in the session)

however - i would never touch another players cards regardless of the situation
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