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Old 08-31-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default PokerRoom.com Rake Structure Information

Sorry for posting this in numerous threads.
But it probably needed its own thread since so many people have been wondering.
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Hi all,

Just a few clarifications regarding the recently updated PokerRoom.com rake structure.

But first of all I hope that all of you bear in mind that basing the rake on Big Blinds instead of Pot Size is an entirely new system designed to equalize the percentage of rake paid by players of various levels. We believe doing so is fair. However, as an entirely new system it may need certain adjustments not spotted in our extensive simulations.

1. The new rake structure tables have been available since yesterday. A link to the new structure was also posted in our news section yesterday.

2. We still incorporate a No Flop No Drop policy. Naturally. The tables will be updated to clarify that.

3. The overall drop in player points received is an effect we did not anticipate, intend nor did it surface during our extensive analysis. The Player Points system will therefore undergo an overhaul to adjust to the new structure and distribute more points.


4. Certainly certain games on certain levels will now have to pay a slightly higher rake than before, but do notice that others will pay way less. All heads-up games as well as high-stakes limit games are obvious examples of this.

5. The new, more dramatic cut-off point in paid rake can unfortunately lead to certain pots being raked around 9-10%. Do note however that these are extreme situations that only occur when a pot reaches a certain, exact size.

Examples:

Limit 5-10 players

1/2 LEVEL
Pot size $11 total rake $0.40
Pot size $12 total rake $1
Pot size $29 total rake $1

2/4 LEVEL
Pot size $23 total rake $0.80
Pot size $24 total rake $2
Pot size $48 total rake $2


Finally we do appreciate all of the feedback and comments received from all you 2+2 users.
Nothing beats hearing first-hand what the players themselves have to say.

C u at the tables!

PokerRoom.com
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: PokerRoom.com Rake Structure Information

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C u at the tables!

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Wanna bet?
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:10 PM
Pokamastah Pokamastah is offline
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Default Re: PokerRoom.com Rake Structure Information

fixed your post

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Hi all,

Just a few clarifications regarding the recently updated PokerRoom.com rake structure.

But first of all I hope that all of you bear in mind that basing the rake on Big Blinds instead of Pot Size is an entirely new system designed to maximize the percentage of rake paid by players of various levels. We believe doing so is very profitable. However, as an entirely new system we may need to be slightly less greedy to keep our customers.

1. The new rake structure tables have been available since yesterday. A link to the new structure was also posted in our news section yesterday.

2. We still incorporate a No Flop No Drop policy. Naturally. The tables will be updated to clarify that.

3. The overall drop in player points received is an effect we hoped you would not notice, which was obvious without any analysis at all! The Player Points system will therefore undergo an overhaul to adjust to the new structure and distribute more points.


4. Certainly games on most levels will now have to pay a significantly higher rake than before, but do notice some others will pay somewhat less. All heads-up games as well as high-stakes limit games are obvious examples of this.

5. The new, more dramatic cut-off point in paid rake can unfortunately lead to many pots being raked around 9-10%.

Examples:

Limit 5-10 players

1/2 LEVEL
Pot size $11 total rake $0.40
Pot size $12 total rake $1
Pot size $29 total rake $1

2/4 LEVEL
Pot size $23 total rake $0.80
Pot size $24 total rake $2
Pot size $48 total rake $2


Finally we do appreciate all of the feedback and comments received from all you 2+2 users.
Nothing beats hearing first-hand what the players themselves have to say.

C u at the tables!

PokerRoom.com
Meet Them and Beat Them

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Old 08-31-2005, 01:25 PM
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Is PokerRoom taking more rake out of the players now than before?

Of course they are, I am withdrawing as I speak.
Players must use their buying power to make the poker rooms understand that fcuking us over is not to their benefit.

ToT

PS: No pot should EVER be raked 10%
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:29 PM
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No pot should EVER be raked 10% unless the bonus is worth at least double the MGR in return

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FYP - this is why we play the party skins.

pokerroom's rake/bonus ratio used to be 140% which was already fairly mediocre vs. competition. now they are off my list completely.
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:34 PM
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5. The new, more dramatic cut-off point in paid rake can unfortunately lead to certain pots being raked around 9-10%. Do note however that these are extreme situations that only occur when a pot reaches a certain, exact size.


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But you are willing to leave it this way regardless?

Players aren't stupid. We realize that with the huge percentage gains of players at all the major sites that revenue has risen dramatically and profits have increased equally.

This being so, there is no reason to 'tax' players with higher rakes when in fact rakes should be decreasing to reflect the larger player base and increasing revenue and profits being realized by all the major sites.

To be finding ways to increase your revenues further at this point in time clearly shows what the future holds for players. It is not a good future. It will push us to seek alternative sites that will offer us fee based play instead of single game raked play.

For the good of your site you need to shift your strategy to increase revenue in other ways, not to tax the player further through increased rakes.
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:35 PM
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C u at the tables!

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Nope.
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:37 PM
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5. The new, more dramatic cut-off point in paid rake can (un)fortunately lead to many pots being raked around 9-10%.

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You should delete this 2 letters....
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:41 PM
Pokamastah Pokamastah is offline
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Is PokerRoom taking more rake out of the players now than before?

Of course they are, I am withdrawing as I speak.
Players must use their buying power to make the poker rooms understand that fcuking us over is not to their benefit.

ToT

PS: No pot should EVER be raked 10%

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So I can rest assured that Prima is not planning any similar rake increase?
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: PokerRoom.com Rake Structure Information

ToT....

Didn't you have a post awhile back that outlined all the major sites rake structures.

Anychance you could repost/update that.

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